Linux will never be a home operating system for most people. It will not even come close to windows or Mac. It is not user friendly, it is not supported by the VAST majority of home use software and it has too many distros. No one wants to get with an OS when the first question is which version. The learning curve is too steep and when stuff goes wrong it is way harder to find and solve.
It’s nice that yall like it but the amount of forceful shoving of Linux on lemmy is hysterical knowing how no one listens.
Damn.
31 flavors and you choose to be salty…
Hey. Blame OP. They asked. I wouldn’t have said shit otherwise
I know, Tom.
The discussions on Lemmy were exactly what made me try out Linux, and now I’m an avid Linux’er. +1 for Linux.
There’s no harm in telling people about Linux though. The majority of people who can figure out the fediverse probably have the requisite technical skills to figure out Linux. Yeah I agree it’ll never be a home OS for most people, but also many homes don’t even have a PC at all anymore.
The problem is when people get militant and / or hostile about it
This, today PC means laptop, that’s what almost everyone who has a PC uses, most people do with just a tablet though. 95% of the garbage people use the internet for can be done on a mid range smart phone. The people who need high powered desktop devices or use them for entertainment are already a minority in the market for computing devices. The largest chunk of OS marketshare is decided by business purchases, not individual PC owners.
So what you’re saying is, most people already run Linux (or BSD) on their main computing device.
The most sold computing device on the planet are Android smartphones. Android is a flavor of Linux.
That’s what I was trying to say.
There is a large difference between telling someone and then getting mass downvoting anyone who dares oppose Linux while throwing a hissyfit and claiming that Linux is the greatest thing since oxygen. Lemmy is on the latter, not the former.
My recent unpopular opinion post on this topic was controversial
My post (on my other lemmy account before I switched this one to my main) sharing a video by a youtuber that said some open source software was badly designed in terms of UI and how it could be improved received so much hostility that I got fed up and ended up deleting it
It wasn’t even a negative video, my post wasn’t even negative
What was the point of sharing it if people just react hostile towards it even though you shared it in good faith
The bad design with some open source software is why I don’t use some of them and why I haven’t installed Linux as a dual boot operating system yet
I use blender and krita because they have good designs with the gui and its catered towards the user using the software in this case creatives
Gimp however and other badly designed open source software don’t cater GUI towards the user demographics that would be using them
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Agreed, I don’t get the argument for using Linux beyond vague “windows bad” hand waving. Frankly, having to use computers probably every hour of my waking life for work and entertainment, I find nothing wrong with windows, or Mac OS. Or iOS or iPad OS beyond just the idiosyncratic annoyances each OS brings to the table. Is there any tangible reason Linux is superior to all the other OSs out there beyond it being open source? Also how is being open spurce objectively a benefit?
Privacy/no data mining is (frankly) a huge deal and a major problem in modern society is that this is not valued at all. To me, this is really analogous to the climate crisis in the sense that we’ve known about the impending climate crisis for decades and no one valued it till we got to the point of no return/crisis point. I really cannot emphasise enough what a big deal it is to value your data/information/privacy.
Other than that, Linux really is a functional OS and there will be other benefits like multiple desktop styles to choose from, the possibility to do more advanced things if you need to (if learn how), the OS is virus-free, better performance (because the computer doesn’t need to work so hard on your OS and can spend that energy on other things), giving life to old hardware that Windows no longer supports (and saving your money as well as the planet from thr e-waste), the importance of an alternative choice so the market is not monopolised by predator corporate giants. There will be loads more benefits, but those are a few to begin with.
It also has downsides (as mentioned above).
Doesn’t it use less system resources?
When Windows 10 isn’t supported anymore, better to use Linux than have an unsecure computer or buy a new computer.
For me windows uses 3-5gb of ram on idle just after starting up. This is pretty consistent across multiple computers for me. On the same computers (I dual-boot on both my laptop and desktop) Linux idles at about 800mb-1.2gb. This was even true on KDE which was one of the “heavier” feature-rich desktop environments. I think Gnome might have been 1.5gb ish but I haven’t used in a while. Either way, it used way less RAM than my windows installs which could noticeably impact some resource intensive programs like blender or davinci resolve
As someone with decision paralysis and executive dysfunction issues, this is true for me. I’m probably more than capable of using it for a daily driver but there are 5000 flavors and I will likely never be able to make a solid choice until one is obviously vastly superior in some way I need.
Just use Ubuntu. It just works.
That’s what I use if I want to just get things done.
Lemmy taught me I’ll go to Linux Hell for using Ubuntu.
Nah. There’s a lot of nerds on here. They are over overrepresented. Normal folks and older users who don’t have time to fuck around use Ubuntu.
Why recommend Gnome as a windows alternative? Surely KDE is a much better option if you’re trying to make a windows user feel more familiar with the interface.
I’m a KDE user right now. While I love KDE, I find that it breaks way too easily when you customize it. And there’s way,way too many customization options to a point that it becomes overwhelming. I can waste hours trying to customize something, roll back, break KDE, reset my KDE environment, try again, etc. And between KDE users, the desktop will almost never be the same which can lead to issues when they ask for support from a friend or something.
In gnome, what you see is what you get. You can just focus on your work or your activity. And because there’s less customisation options, you get pretty much the same desktop experience across multiple users. So if I go to a friend’s place and they also it Ubuntu with Gnome, I’m almost certain to have the same desktop experience as mine
My Ubuntu on a SBC for a workshop just killed itself on Monday. Had it for a few months, new SBC, fresh Ubuntu install, 0 customization, just using it occasionally for Chromium. It popped up a new version -Minotaur or something- was out, so I said sure upgrade. It gave an error for bash near the end, then bricked itself. Now i gotta dig out SD cards and find a new distro.
Fuck Ubuntu. Ends in misery every single time.
And no I don’t want any recommendations.
Well that’s like a single anecdotal experience out of hundreds of thousands who had no problem. And it’s more probable to run into problems when using non-LTS versions.
TIL I haven’t had a home operating system for a quarter century.
TIL you can’t read. I said most people. Not everyone.
To lump my own personal removed onto this: liking a thing and bringing it up regardless of conversation or context isn’t a personality
You are wrong. The reason that linux isn’t popularvis that windows comes preinstalled in computers and most people don’t know how to install an operating system pet along what an operating system is. Linux is dead easy nowadays, ao.much that my tech illiterate parents can use it, spread misinformation elsewhere
not supported by the VAST majority of home use software
Just want to say most people only need a browser, and it’s only going to continue on that path. That’s why ChromeOS works.
I’ve seen more criticism of Lemmy’s Linux Problem, than I actually have seen LLP in action
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If you’ve ever said “cowabunga dude” unironically, it’s high time to schedule that prostate check.
the main lemmy developers are evil people, and they also admin the lemmy.ml instance. Stay away. other lemmy instances are admired well enough, but look for a mbin instance just to give the lemmy devs less power.
That’s the great part about the fediverse. We’re not bound to a specific app. I like Mbin myself.
BUT they do share their software with everyone entirely for free so there’s that…:-)
Damn commies should be rich as Crassus by now!
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What’s the key difference with Kbin?
Community development rather than just one guy - Mbin is a community fork of Kbin, made when he refused to share privileges and people got tired of the code always being so far behind.
the kbin developer hasn’t done anything in months (some form of personal issues), and his instance has been offline all week. mbin is actually developed.
Got it. Yeah I went to take a peek and it looks like it’s more of a community effort. That’s good.
Is there a good/decent android app? I’m game to give things a try particularly because fuck lemmygrad jr (lemmy.ml)
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Rock on, thanks!
That’s a big claim. Do you have evidence?
https://lemmy.world/post/16211417 has some good discussion including evidence. You can normally see evidenc looking at moderation logs as well
What makes them “evil”?
I see that there is a lot of posts removed due to breaking Rule 1, but I can’t see what community you posted to to check what rule they claimed you violated.
Please tell me what community you posted in so I can look at the rules and form an unbiased oppinion.
I did find other posts about how lemmy.world admins are terrible, but so far I have only seen anecdotes either way, and untill there are proven trends that tells me otherwise, I will refrain from bashing either side.
Supposedly the modlog is being altered to remove the rejection reasons so that the posts are removed, but via database alterations rather than the traditional process, so a very serious accusation of deceptive admin practices. Someone would need to be running their own instance to see this, and get to the modlog quickly enough, and take screenshots both before and after the event - which reportedly has happened, as described in the comments section of that post.
Separately, regardless of whether the modlog itself is being abused, those admins are reportedly also banning people from communities that they have never commented in, for comments made in other communities. That is a lot easier to see happening, bc the record is retained in that case. And tbh that might even be understandable for reasons of spam or promoting violence or some such, but for merely disagreeing with the statement it is a rather extreme response that represents an abuse of admin power.
Those admins write the Lemmy code - they are worthy of respect for that no matter what. However, they are losing trust in their ability to administer an instance in anything close to a fair manner (vaguely similar to Ernst and Kbin).
I realize that it’s a lot of comments, and it is now spreading to be discussed in multiple posts - e.g. our comments here as well as the linked one - but the screenshots are available if you want to view them. Or indeed, look at the raw modlogs themselves, for the second but not the first issue. You don’t need the community name btw, just OP’s name and the instance (Lemmy.ml) should be sufficient, here this will get you started: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2502607.
Check the mod log yourself. I don’t know how to link it, but it doesn’t take long to find an on topic comment with a ‘right wing’ slant removed in my experience. If right wing comments break rule 1 then I don’t want to be a part of anyplace with rule 1.
Currently, lemmyverse.net doesn’t appear to be indexing mbin servers, which is a drawback for finding communities on them. It isn’t indexing all kbin servers, either, and the kbin results are only available via the hamburger menu, not mixed in with the lemmy results.
Mbin is not lemmy. It interoperates with lemmy but is otherwise different. Thus they strictly should not. Though you can make an arguement they should, it is the decision of the site owners and so while I think they should index mbin I won’t fault them for not.
Mbin is not lemmy.
No, but how many users out specifically want results from one instance type? I can imagine that someone might, but I’m pretty sure that virtually everyone is agnostic.
I don’t think that the lemmyverse.net guys are opposed to it. They did put in kbin support (though it seems to be partly broken ATM). I just think that it hasn’t been updated. And that makes it hard for mbin communities to get visibility.
Has anyone forked lemmy yet and if so have instances switched over ?
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While we’re at it let me get something off my chest
Mitochondria is plural. One powerhouse of the cell is a mitochondrion. Bacteria is also the plural of bacterium.
Does this matter? Not really.
It matters a little to me and I didn’t know that ‘mitochondria’ is plural. So thanks.
Data used to be generally used as the plural of datum before it became generally used as a mass noun.
Also medium --> media
Ooooh, I never even thought about that one!
I had a prof describe the nucleus as “the power house of cell function” and the confusion that statement caused was fucking palpable lol.
Midichlorians are the forcehouse of the cell.
Stop with the echo chamber. Dissenting views aren’t trolls by default.
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Gutenberg was a grifter. He stole money from people, sometime his own family, and ran up debts that he couldn’t pay.
The only reason that he started printing bibles and became religious was because he was going to be thrown in prison for swindling people out of money, and it’s a bad look to throw someone in prison who prints the word of God. In fact, most of what we know about Gutenberg comes from his court documents.
Also movable type and the printing press were already known in Europe and had already been invented in East Asia several hundred years earlier than Gutenberg. (the first printed texts date back to 700 CE and movable type prints around 1000 CE, both in modern China). It was nothing new.
I really like you guys ❤️
I’m learning rust and going to contribute one day.
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Bullshit
Never take laxatives and sleeping pills at the same time.
Similar vein, don’t wash down your sleeping pills with like 4-5 glasses of water
Nuclear power plants won’t help solve the climate crisis.
They take too long to build.
While the risk of a catastrophic failure is very low, its effects are so bad they can’t be included in any sensible risk assessment.
They prolong the dependence on energy companies that are too big to fail and can therefore blackmail the government.
They depend on enormous amounts of water for cooling, at a time when rivers frequently get too warm for that due to climate change.
They run on a non-renewable fuel source that is imported from politically instable countries.
And when you include the cost of building them, insuring them, dismantling them and dealing with their waste, they’re simply not economical.
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How long from “design concept” till enough are tested, certified and built to help combat climate change? We have about 20 years left to transform our energy sector if you’re optimistic. Building one with the old proven design takes about 15 years.
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But there are solutions that simply require building more small units of something that’s been built in large numbers for the past decade.
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I’m talking about solar panels and wind turbines.
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Building one with the old proven design takes about 15 years.
Source? I’d say the median is closer to 8, 15 years is more like the worst 5-15% percentile.
This highlights issues with using capitalism and some human mindsets
nuclear power plants are way too vulnerable and dangerous of a terrorist target.
Wtf are you talking about? Nuclear power facilities are freaking huge and have top notch security. You ain’t getting anywhere near any place you could ever do any damage. And since everybody who’s supposed to be there needs clearance, it’s easy to have strict security protocols in place. Anybody who isn’t supposed to be there or takes anything in or out they aren’t supposed to is identified easily and taken care of.
Any nuclear facility is more worried about espionage than any kind of attack. Even if you are able to bomb a part of it, worst case it will be shutdown for repairs for a while and maybe kill a dozen or so people who are near the bomb as it goes off. Something like a crowded square in a city centre is a much easier target for terrorism and probably has more impact in the causing fear department than bombing some energy facility.
So no, denying nuclear power based on fear of terrorism isn’t only unfounded, it’s also exactly what the terrorists want. Fuck them guys, don’t give in to fear.
And in case you don’t know: a nuclear power plant is not a nuclear bomb, it can’t become a nuclear bomb and it doesn’t contain any materials to create a nuclear bomb. Just because they both contain the word nuclear and work on a fission principle, doesn’t mean they are the same thing.
(I blame the recent Chernobyl series for fueling the fear of nuclear once again. You should know that whilst it is a good series, it is not a documentary and they dropped the ball hard on all the science parts)
These all are valid points. From the technological point of view nuclear technology is pretty safe and the margin of error is rather low. There are many redundant fail-save measurements to retain a save operation. But if something will happen, it will be devestating. Most famous incident is Chernobyl. Also, nuclear waste management is a huge issue. Not many (if any) locations for waste storage have the capability for eternal storage. The Asse II mine for instance is a former salt mine which has been re-purposed as a deep geological repository. It was supposed to last alt least several thousand years. After only 30 years of usage it has been detected that water seeps into the vault which leads to corrosion of the barrels filled with nuclear waste which
will resultalready resulted in a release of radioactive elements. This is how the barrels were handled and stored. I am no expert but thirty years into almost eternity is a pretty bad figure.And there is another thing - and in my opinion this is a really serious one: Nucular power plants are operated by corporations within the private sector. This means that such a power plant is conducted with an economical focus (= profit). The incentive to make profit will result in skipping maintenance, bribing inspectors and downplaying any technical difficulties. Even when assumed that all the other issues (waste management etc.) are solved, every technical malfunction that resulted in the leakage of radioactive material woult be not be made public voluntarily. There were many incidents that have been made public, because the law required them to do so.. The hidden number of incidents that were not required to be made public is probably much higher.
Yes military targets, as are most energy production facilities. Any part of critical infrastructure is a prime military target. Just ask the people of Taiwan.
This has nothing to do with terrorism and certainly isn’t a reason not to build them. Whatever replacement you have for them, would then become the target. This is common sense.
I would also say that being energy independent is a deterrent to all out war, as it removes leverage one party may have over another. With a balanced field of power, total war becomes less likely.
Also by the time Western Europe / Mainland US is under military assault and our allies can’t protect our critical infrastructure, we have much bigger concerns.
hehehe, plane goes boom
Honestly if the UK can spend a couple of decades with half a hiroshimas worth of high explosives sitting unguarded within sight of London I think a nuclear facility with actual security will be fine.
I know the world is rough but they to have a good day.
Please, make more cat-related community!
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=cats
showing 75 communities
MY CAT SAYS HI!
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Math is truth.
Meth isn’t.
how do you know…? with details please. asking for a friend.
(/s btw)
