LIED. He LIED, CNN. Say it!
“Falsely claimed” for fuck’s sake, you spineless republiQan sewer holes.
It’s been almost a goddamned decade CNN! WaPo? NYT? Looking at all you “falsely claimed” motherfuckers. When are you going to grow up? Hm? When are you going to actually do the work of journalism instead of your paper-thin republiQan brigading?
“Lied” implies intent, which is a very squishy subject. I’d prefer they stick to just the facts, please. I’m no lawyer, but I suspect you might be asking for libel suits if you claim somebody lied and can’t actually prove that they did so intentionally.
They accuse them of bad journalism. Supposing intent you can’t prove is the definition of bad journalism. People need to temper their instinctual emotions a bit. I’m upset about Trump being a serial liar too (which I can say, because I’m a nobody who can totally infer his intent) but cmon, can we not leave the very foundations of factual journalism in the dust in our quest to right that wrong?
If you can’t call a liar a liar that is not good journalism either
Why does journalism need to spoonfeed people? Why can’t we take accountability? They report the facts. Facts are provable, with evidence. You can only very, very rarely prove intent with evidence. A lie is an untruth delivered with intent. They cannot prove that and as such should not report it. We, as readers, should then piece the facts together. They’re giving you facts, not teaching you how to think. It’s not their job.
Because most people are NPCs. They’ve been spoonfed their information for a century, and before that they just knew nothing. There has never been, and likely never will be, a period in history where the average person actually is an independent rational actor. Most people are proles
What? You are suggesting they can’t prove Trump said lock her up?
Of course you can prove he said that. That’s the untruth. Can you prove he knew he lied? You and I know that because it’s clear as day and we don’t need strict evidence, but journalists do because their job is to report facts and not assumptions, even obvious ones. It’s your job as a reader to take those facts and the surrounding context to construct what happened. They should not have to spoonfeed this to us in the exact verbiage we want just because we want to score a few more points because CNN said “lie”.
And you should genuinely be ashamed of your reading comprehension. Your response does not make sense considering what I wrote above. I addressed that directly.
I call bs
You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to find reasons to preposterously believe that Trump accidentally lied. We all know this is an outrageous lie. We all know he’s an outrageous liar. I’m not asking CNN or you to say so, though, I’m asking you not to overcomplicate a very simple, very obvious lie which has a very obvious motivation. No sane or rational judge or jury is going to believe that Trump was mistaken or that he told this untruth for anything other than self-serving reasons, and Trump isn’t going to sue CNN for libel on this open-and-shut case lie because he’s neck-deep in legal costs and court cases already.
Let me get this straight: You’re not sure whether Trump did deliberately claim that he didn’t say, repeatedly, often, publicly, on the TV and on social media “lock her up”? You think he accidentally denied saying it, or you have come to doubt your recollection of “LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!”?
I’m thinking it doesn’t matter what we think, it matters which one could accrue expensive court costs. Because “false claim” is specific and provable, “lied” is murky and general. When it comes to libel and slander lawsuits, the legal system runs on semantics and pedantry.
Why should they open themselves to that kind of legal system enabled retribution? After all, we all know whose pants are on fire.
Trump would most definitely lose a libel case trying to claim that his obvious lie with transparent self-serving motivation was accidental or correct. He’s way too deep in legal costs and court cases to make an absurd suit like that, and there’s no point doing it because he doesn’t care that people know he’s an out and out liar.
A libel case is different.
The problem is Trump could claim “oops I forgot that I agreed with the crowd in 2016” and that is different than intentionally lying. That’s why journalists have to split hairs here; George Santos can be called a liar but saying Trump lied this time is harder. It opens a can of worms; when Biden inevitably gets a detail wrong in another story of his should they call him a liar?
This isn’t a detail, this was a campaign slogan. No one in their right mind would believe Trump didn’t know exactly what he was doing both then and now. Stop trying to introduce doubt where there is none, it’s absurd. (And no, he doesn’t want to spend more time and money in court right now.)
In a weird way I agree with both you and the person you replied to. My own personal doublethink, I suppose.
tHeY hAvE tO bE oBjEcTiVe.
We have the many videos. There’s probably a compilation on YouTube of him starting lock her up chants.
“It doesn’t matter, it was all AI generated by Antifa. Real Men Wear Diapers!”
and this is why AI/deepfakes are so scary.
It isn’t just that there might be fake stuff out there. it’s that real stuff could get called fake. (“I didn’t say that. Deep fake FAKE NEWS FaKe NeWs!!!”)
If they can convince themselves to believe he never said it, I’m going to just assume Trumpism isn’t politics so much as mental illness.
Always has been.
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I mean… in large part, I’m already there.
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Interesting that you’ve doubted that
All humor and rhetoric aside, when 1/3 of a population thinks or believes a certain way, you can’t really call them mentally ill because they would have to deviate from a norm and they are part of the norm at that point.
But I don’t know how you could believe this lie without being delusional. Hence my comment. Yes I’ve thought they were all fucking nuts before, but that’s different from actually thinking they are ill.
I’m not a mental health professional so my opinion counts for shit anyway, but I do try to take these things seriously.
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I just watched “Satan Wants You” - good movie if you want to be reminded of how easily a great many people fall for what is so obviously complete BS. And this was in very recent memory. See also: Qanon.
His supporters wear the damn shirts
https://youtu.be/S5cnrp5UNnA here’s one
He real scared about that sentencing.
I hope so.
Even for Trump, this one is a lot. It was essentially his campaign slogan. He didn’t just say it, he led chants of it in front of crowds.
Breaking News: Lying liar lies some more lies.
More at 11.
more at eleven
Seriously. He can’t STFU to save his life.
Trump is easy to understand:
Trump opens mouth -> Trump lies.
Seems to have alot in common with the Russian government.
That you reject the evidence of your eyes and ears is Trump’s essential command.
If Trump is claiming something, falsely is how he is going to do it.
If it’s worth claiming, it’s worth falsely claiming
those fake videos aren’t me. Those are deep fakes from the deep state. I don’t remember saying that! No one I know, good people, remember that. This is the first time I’ve heard of Hillary Clinton!!
Proof of senility or a bald faced lie.
Either way, just one more reason he’s unfit.
Of course he said that. How is anyone even surprised at this point? Since Day 1 he’s been saying whatever he wants to be true at the time - creating his own “reality” - and his base goes with it. He’s never been burdened by the truth, and there’s been no repercussions for his flagrant lying. Yes, this is an outrageous lie, but even in that it’s unremarkable.
I mean at this point does this clown remember like 80% of the shit he’s said??
I’d like to have someone ask him to name all of his children out of the blue.
I bet he’d get three, maybe four.
“Oh my kids, lovely kids. I love them all. Great kids that are doing great things.” Sir, we asked for their names.
They’ve done it, he forgets Tiffany every single time.
Yeah it’s not a lie if you really really don’t remember lol
Republicans are NOT in a Cult and TOTALLY think for Themselves and they BELIEVE this while wearing “Lock Her Up” shirts!
“I didn’t say that forty thousand times during the 2016 election!”
That is a complete lie.
One of the memes that has followed Trump for almost a decade is “Lock her up!” Is he truly this lost that he forgot one of the things he ran for president (and won) chanting?
He truly believes his base doesn’t care, and they don’t.
We have always been at war with Eureast Asia.
Obligatory reminder that he didn’t win the popular vote.
But yes you’re spot on.
