Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”
Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.
Where are my “genocide Joe” boys? You, the ones that have nothing to say but Biden/democrats bad?
You always leave this part out. Troll farm tankies.
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Excuse me, but I never leave out that Trump is a fascist who’s worse than Biden. And I’ll vote Biden against Trump. Biden is still a lying piece of shit absorbing and spreading Israeli propaganda about murdered babies and systematic rape on Oct 7. He’s still facilitating a genocide. None of Trump’s evil words can change that. Biden can change that, but he chooses not to.
Maybe you should understand that there are biggwr pictures?
The sucky part of being a politician is that inevitably you’ll have to make decisions that you won’t like, that go against your better judgement, that you might be opposed to. There simply may be bigger issues at stake. You may have an ally that you begrudgingly have to support because if you don’t you can lose that ally, making the situation so much worse. Worse yet, you might upset a large part of your voters that will in turn not vote for you on the next election.
I dunno for sure but I think that Biden is in the situation where he must be very careful with what he does with Israel. You may not have noticed, but he has been criticizing them, he has been pushing them to stop, but very very carefully.
In a way He’s may be in the same situation as us. Just as we begrudgingly have to vote Biden over trump to avoid shit really going to hell, he may have to begrudgingly support Israel to avoid losing many voters that he’ll need in the next elections.
Because of this I think it isn’t as simple as “Biden is a liar” and “Biden supports genocide”. I could be wrong and he very well may be evil, but from what I’ve seen, from what he’s been doing in other parts of his job, I highly doubt that. I really do believe that he’s trying to navigate this situation as carefully sd he can.
Shit simply isn’t that simple
The fact that no matter who I vote for it’s gonna end up with kids being killed on my dime is the problem. At least Biden will pretend to feel bad about it, which is all I’ve come to expect from my government.
I’ve long given up on the notion that I get to vote for someone I like in this system.
I wish that “likability” wasn’t such a huge part of the equation. Doing the right thing and being effective at it should be a bigger factor.
By “likability” I mean that I agree with some or most of the things they consider the right thing. I want to be enthusiastic about them instead of just mainly hoping they don’t do too much damage.
Cue someone posting a billion links about Biden in response because that’s gonna convince me.
I’ve long given up on the notion that I get to vote for someone I like in this system
Democracy baby! :/
I think this is the practical assessment of politics for a mature adult however. We want better, but we understand that we won’t get our ideal, perfect options. We have to choose for the better, unideal, option, and hope that our choices will allow our progeny to one day have those ideal candidates.
Better? Nah. Less worse.
They’re on the same article thread posted an hour after mine.
Oh I know exactly where you can find them! Just visit lemmy.world/c/politicalmemes community, they post there 24/7
I’m right here, this article does nothing to change my mind about how Joe Biden is aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide.
Yes, Trump will almost certainly be worse. That doesn’t change the fact that our current president’s support for genocide is deplorable, it hurts his electoral chances, and it damages the US standing in the world.
Burying Palestinian families alive under the rubble of their former homes is not a good use of my tax dollars. Joe Biden needs to stop.
Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president.
You can say “Joe Biden is helping/supporting Israel in its genocide on Palestinians”. Calling him “genocide joe” is repeating GOP bs. They say it like that to keep the critical thinking to a minimum.
Yes we agree that other modern presidents have been genocidal as well.
Using that fact as an excuse for the current genocide is not some realpolitik, “adults in the room” level of thinking. It is moral depravity and the banality of evil.
Who is using it as excuse for the current genocide? Where does it say “genocide is ok”? “Adult in the room” my ass.
When comparing 2 candidates, genocide doesn’t matter because they will both do it, you substract that from both side of the equation in US politics. Once a president is in office then you can protest decision, this is about comparing candidates.
Using the GOP propaganda of “genocide joe” like it’s his personal hobby just feeds the trolls. The article is about Trump, and the guy at the top of this thread is asking where the “genocide joe” trumpers are given Trump admits the same. Anyone answering “i’m here”, but saying “AKshUaLlY i’m not a trumper but biden is commiting genocide” is just pedantic and missing the point of this discussion
It’s always one of the folks from one of the newer instances/communities I see making these arguments, usually it’s sh.itjust.works or kbin but I saw quite a few from .today this weekend. Seems like the older instances that were either up or started because of the migration from reddit are less filled with trolls and bad faith in my experience
Who is using it as excuse for the current genocide?
You did, when you said “Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president.”
When comparing 2 candidates, genocide doesn’t matter because they will both do it
This “lesser of two evils” logic only holds up when deciding who to vote for. The Biden administration does not get to aid a genocide criticism-free just because Trump would be worse.
Once a president is in office then you can protest decision
A president is in office now, aiding a genocide now, so I’m protesting now. If the US is still supporting genocide after the election I will protest then, too.
i’m not a trumper but biden is commiting genocide" is just pedantic and missing the point
I saw a shocking amount of upvoted genocide denial in the comments, so I felt the need to respond, even if its unpopular.
Haha you’re not protesting, youre whining on the internet. Not one protest in the US besides the students protesting their school, not biden.
I assume the rest of your life based on like ten internet posts you’ve made. I’m a genius please pat me on the back’
Has any other president been sued for genocide?
One: you can be sued for anything regardless of if it’s true or not. Someone could find some sleazebag lawyer and sue you for drowning hundreds of puppies while laughing about it – does that make you a puppy killer?
Two: We have presidents that we know directly ordered genocides of native people … yet weren’t sued for it.
But while many media outlets were quick to report on the case not moving forward, they largely missed a key aspect of the ruling: the judge did not dismiss the case on its merits but rather because it fell “outside the court’s limited jurisdiction,” source
In fact, U.S. District Court Judge Jeffrey White’s statement appeared to uphold some of plaintiff’s key charges in the case:
The judge went further, urging Biden and his administration officials to scrutinize “the results of their unflagging support” for the Israeli government’s assault on Gaza.
Until he changes his stance, he’s “genocide Joe.”
So by that definition there’s also genocide Trump, and genocide US government, and genocide US soldiers, and genocide US citizens, and genocide judges, and… It becomes irrelevant to call him “genocide joe”, it has little to do with him. See we call Dwayne “the rock” Johnson because he’s the only wrestler known by that name, it’s unique to him. I think you need to lookup what Nicknames are for, aside from GOP propaganda.
I agree. All individuals and institutions you listed could be culpable, but no suits, internationally, nor domestically have been filed. Except for the CCR case against Biden, Blinken, and Austin.
I looked into the origin of the “genocide Joe” meme. The earliest entry is from October 18, 2023. As far as I can tell it was started by pro-Palestine leftists like Aaron Mate, Hasan, and Alan Macleod. It did not originate from conservative media.
Nice little performance! But your act isn’t all that convincing really.
Joe Biden cares more about Palestinians than you do. He’s doing things to help while you’re projecting faux outrage.
What? What has he done, other than words?
Well, he used words to get the Saudis to allow aid to resume flowing. What have you done besides removed behind a keyboard?
Well, I’m not president. And I can’t find any info on Biden getting the Saudis to allow aid. Can you point to a policy?
Edit: It was Egypt. That certainly will help. Why you removed about my removed? We removed together. We removed.
Youre removed about a genocidal president, and he’s removed about a genocidal, openly corrupt traitor, above the law wanna be dictator who needs to change the law to keep existing as a political figure.
You are not the same.
As long as we’re clear that I’m removed about the genocide. I’m good. 🙂 Maybe, if more people would removed about Biden enabling a genocide, instead of defending his actions, we wouldn’t have to removed about Trump being president.
He built a pier to get food into Gaza.
Other than words, what have you done?
Is debunking your propaganda not enough?
US Gaza aid pier breaks apart in heavy seas in blow for Joe Biden’s humanitarian plan
If Trump wins and has his SS start shooting Pro-Palestinian protestors, it’ll be really hard to hold back from saying “told you so”
They’ll have put their red hats back on by then.
You’re just telling on yourself that you’re a fascist at heart then.
Elaborate on that logic, please, because it doesn’t make sense to me.
needs more smug
Why is it that everybody with a differing opinion than yours is called a fascist? The word does not mean what you think it means and by using it in this manner, you’re making the word lose its meaning.
How about bringing real discussion to this thread instead of whatever this is?
This is smelling a lot like the republican “Not everything you don’t like is racist/fascist”
How different is the person with the gun to the person who is standing nearby saying “you deserve this”?
What the fuck is this abuser talk? Nowhere did they say anything about deserving it, you are projecting your emotions here.
What they DID say was it’d be difficult to not say I told you so, as in, I told you your choices would lead here. ‘You fucked up and now we’re here’ is a far cry from ‘you deserved it’.
Standing by and saying told you so isn’t even that different to “you deserve it” if you aren’t stepping in to help prevent it.
He’s getting ready to speed up the genocide
We better elect Biden so we can have incremental death? Both are Zionist pieces of shit not worthy of holding office.
BoTh SiDeS amirite? GTFO
Yikes! They’re not wrong.
There are not 2 sides, there are 2 right wing factions each skinning a cat and telling everyone their method is best
Yikes…
Don’t cut yourself on that edge
Yeah! Why go for incremental death when we can just kill every other person as fast as possible! Thanos 2024!
Thanos did nothing wrong, and I can prove it.
Got a better idea?
Nope. Just removed and complain and spread voter apathy while not using any energy to push for actual change. Dude most likely isn’t even from the states and can’t vote.
Well, they probably prefer this job than pushing up sunflowers on the battlefields of Ukraine.
I truly wish as part of sanctions Russia was completely cut off from the Internet. Watch again as a large chunk of the bots and Facebook accounts dry up.
It continues to amaze me how many organizations accept connections from Russian IP addresses.
Withholding votes unless Biden changes is pushing for actual change. So is protesting on campuses but Biden and Blinken hates that, too. Votes and money are the only two things politicians listen to. The huge women protests that got us nothing and the BLM protests that mostly led to changes that got rolled back proved that. Unfortunately, AIPAC has all the money which means protesting and withholding votes is all that’s left.
I know, let’s vote for Trump so the genocide will be over sooner. Just think about how much less suffering there’ll be when all the kids are in mass graves instead of going hungry.
Agreed, but the next President is going to be either the guy who is supporting Israel because he wants the money or the guy who is supporting Israel because he loves their authoritarianism and wants to bring it here.
You’re telling on yourself here bud, I think you need to go back to history class. You can’t just throw away all nuance by framing a strawman. It is absolutely not black and white like that and there is absolutely a lot more at play then just money or authoritarianism, namely history.
That doesn’t change the fact that the next President will be either:
Self proclaimed zionist, Joe Biden:
The literal pro-Genocide candidate, Donald Trump:
“We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”
There are no other viable candidates. The only thing stopping one of these men from becoming President is a massive health event.
Should it be Trump, things will not only be devastating for Gaza, they will become a nightmare here:
“Trump compares political opponents to ‘vermin’ who he will ‘root out,’ alarming historians”
“Trump Is Planning to Send Kill Teams to Mexico to Take Out Cartel Leaders”
This is why it’s contingent on everyone who cares to hold their nose and vote for Biden. The alternative is a disaster.
And in either case, unless voters stop the bleeding, Democrats will always have an authoritarian figure dangling over their head as a threat to their rights so they can remain in power. So 50, 60, 70 100 years from now we can keep having the same conversations where nobody is making enough money. Nobody can afford housing. Nobody has health care. Nobody has access to education, while they continue blaming the other side as to why nobody has any rights.
In this case, the Republicans are to blame as they block everything in the Senate and have loaded the Supreme Court to rule against things like fair and honest congressional districts and student loan relief.
Instead of punching left every chance they got, democrats should have been holding their politicians accountable. They are just as much to blame for current political problems as those Republicans you mentioned.
FYI: Most of those braindead “am I not allowed to criticize Biden???” comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don’t fall for it. These aren’t “lefties” or “tankies”. Just downvote, report, and ignore.
They’re insane if the think I wouldn’t crawl over 5 miles of glass covered in diarrhea to vote against christofascism, and the only way to vote against christofascism is by voting for the side with the best chance to claim its victory, and much to my chagrin that’s Biden, it’s a really simple calculus
correct. this is not the time to win the fight, this is the time to make sure we will be able to continue fighting it.
Quite often when someone loudly whines about “not being able to criticize [X]” it’s because they have an opinion that is either repugnant, hateful or ridiculous and nobody wants to hear them. Nobody is saying they can’t or aren’t allowed to have criticism or opinions, but everyone else has a right to ignore or ridicule them for it.
In the end, it’s usually just trolls. Giving them attention is what they want so it’s best to ignore them entirely and not give them the reaction they’re desperate for.
I mean, I dont really care for Biden. Having said that, I’d rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than not vote for him and end up with Trump, so “genocide Joe” or whatever those morons are calling him begrudgingly has my vote.
Getting deported during his second term might be a good thing
Bbbbbut Biden more bad!! Because Jeenoside
Trump never aided a genocide during his term.
He never had the opportunity.
Covid? He tried to take out his own voters.
You know the ICE camps that sterilized people and had Trump portraits about winning the war? Sterilizing women of a group you oppress is in the definitions of Genocide, so he absolutely did. He also recommended other genocidal things, but because he can be convinced by the last general who spoke to him, they didn’t put those plans into place.
I don’t remember him getting charged with genocide. Pretty sure I’d remember.the ACLU did file charges for forced removal, but not genocide.
There were accusations filed, perhaps not directly against Trump but instead his administration, and maybe not by the ACLU directly citing Genocide but instead human rights. The connection is mentioned by them at least: https://www.acluga.org/en/publications/shut-it-down-civil-rights-lawyers-detention-center-accused-forced-sterilization-0
I wouldn’t say using just the ACLU means it didn’t occur, and I don’t know what your definition of charged is. Here are some others:
https://www.theadvocatesforhumanrights.org/News/A/Index?id=64
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/15/forced-sterilization-genocide-rights-groups-condemn-ice-amid-whistleblowers
https://www.ild.org/immigrant-legal-defense-blog/forced-hysterectomies-underscore-horrors-of-immigrant-detentionGreat job. That was during Covid too, although it had been going on for some time. Stephen Miller is a ghoul.
So where are all the “concerned Democrats” that always show up en masse to talk about how horrible Biden’s Gaza policy is?
Aren’t you guy’s concerned about this policy too? Or is it fine because it’s not Biden’s policy?Yeah, but gEnOcIdEjOe!!!111eleventy!!! Or something.
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They want to vote, but only for the perfect, ideal candidate that wants the exact things they do. Since that doesn’t exist, they’ll smugly sit on the sidelines attacking Biden and ignorantly and (hopefully) unintentionally helping Trump win by refusing to vote for the only candidate that can stop him.
Well said! MAGA can literally do ANYTHING and it’s cool, including fucking their own voters.
Democrats must be Jesus fucking Christ on earth or else the whole party is fucked and there’s no point in voting. They trot out bullshit like two bad choices, no point in voting, etc. as their fallback.
‘we shouldn’t have to settle!!!’ welcome to reality bud.
The biggest shock for me is that these morons clearly have big opinions but feel their best move is to silence themselves and not vote, ensuring that the least bad choice is that much more vulnerable to the real bad choice. Undoubtedly a lot of these anti-vote people are russian trolls and the like, voter disenfranchisement is big fuckin business now just like it was in 2016.
Single issue voters kill us all
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They’re sick of hearing and talking about Trump, so they don’t want to talk about this stuff. They would rather film themselves crying about gEnOcIdE jOe on tiktok to make them feel better about themselves.
Single issue voters hurt everyone.
So where are all the “concerned Democrats” that always show up en masse to talk about how horrible Biden’s Gaza policy is?
Right here. We never left.
https://x.com/Harbpeace/status/1795512160266653866?t=NhxvzhVwaIuLs6EMBBJXXw
Aren’t you guy’s concerned about this policy too?
I’m concerned there’s not going to be a Gaza left by the time Trump takes office.
That’s the thing, Trump has been strategically quiet on the issue. He wants to make sure the spotlight is on Biden, even he is leaning into calling him genocide Joe.
Trump knows this is a hot button issue, and if he were to speak out more on what his policy would be on it, he would very much unite the left against him. Letting Biden take the heat ensures the left is fractured.
Trump has been strategically quiet on the issue
He’s been very loud, but not nearly as loud as the articles about his time in the SDNY courtroom over hooker hush money payments.
The issue is that he’s not President while Biden is. So hypothesizing what a future President Trump might do in the event Biden’s approval rating sinks any lower becomes a more compelling Conservative Democrat talking point than what Biden is currently doing to cost him all that support.
Letting Biden take the heat ensures the left is fractured.
The left isn’t fractured on this issue. That’s the root of Biden’s problem. From the midwestern business-friendly liberals to the college Maoists, there’s a uniform horror and disgust towards our Middle East foreign policy. The only split is whether you’re willing to give Biden yet one more pass on our latest imperial atrocity or whether you’ve finally reached your limit.
The only split is whether you’re willing to give Biden yet one more pass on our latest imperial atrocity or whether you’ve finally reached your limit.
when you boil everything down to black and white, the nuance is gone along with any wisdom you started out with. Shame that’s all you got, can’t even hold an intelligent discussion without you leaping for the hyperbole.
For instance, what country is doing more than the US to bring aid to Gaza?
when you boil everything down to black and white
That is the nature of voting. You can either cast a ballot for a guy or not. There is no in-between state.
what country is doing more than the US to bring aid to Gaza?
UNRWA was the primary supplier of aid into Gaza until Israel kicked them out. Then the World Central Kitchen was a primary supplier of food aid, until Israel bombed it. Aid was coming in from Palestinians in Jordan and Egypt, until Israel sealed off the borders at gunpoint.
Meanwhile, the US has been sending Israel more weapons used in these terrorist acts.
Might as well credit Germany with feeding and housing Polish Jews in 1942.
No it is not the nature of voting, it is not a binary thing at all. Again all you do is remove all nuance which destroys the discussion
You’re also proving my point, Israeli Zionists fucked aid and the US is the ONLY ONES doing ANYTHING to ensure aid gets there at our own cost. Meanwhile Egypt and neighboring countries simply put up barbed wire and close crossings.
ALL those aids you listed you admit are no longer happening, only the US is now making it happen, but that’s not convenient to your position is it?
Are you SERIOUSLY comparing the US to Nazi goddamn Germany right now? You are beyond a discussion based on reality. Won’t waste anymore time on you. Shame.
Israeli Zionists fucked aid and the US is the ONLY ONES doing ANYTHING
US is running cover for the Israeli Zionists, preventing UN-based aid from reaching Gaza, and doing clumsy ineffectual political stunts to disguise their complicity.
ALL those aids you listed you admit are no longer happening
Because the US is sending weapons into Israel to bomb aid agencies.
Are you SERIOUSLY comparing the US to Nazi
Wouldn’t even be the first time. From our re-installation of fascists in Japan and Germany during the post-war period to our Jakarta Method in Indonesia to the Contra terrorists we armed in El Salvador and Guatamala, this isn’t even our first full-throated fascist rodeo.
American fascism runs deep, and we’ve had a hard on for butchering every brown person we can get in our sites since at least 9/11.
Every single one that currently supports the UNRWA, countries that have criticized Israel and stopped diplomacy with them or cut off trade, South Africa launched the ICC case against them, ones that have tried to vote for sanctions against them in the UN or have supported a Palestinian state. So ya, tons of countries that aren’t the US.
Meanwhile the US is the only reason Gaza is getting any real aid at this point given all the other bullshit by both Hamas and the Zionist trash.
But go ahead and look at the things you like and pretend everything else isn’t happening
You can’t give the US credit for giving a little aid when they’re giving way more bombs and weapons. I’m not going to give you credit for throwing a bandaid to someone after you’re the one giving the shooter a gun and ammunition and stopped people from coming over to help when their shot. The US is causing more net harm in this whole situation. Also, those other countries ARE giving lots of aid. Look up the nationalities of the doctors and relief workers in there. They’re from all over the world. The US isn’t even donating to the UN relief org anymore because of trumped up accusations by Israel that haven’t even been proven, unlike lot of other countries that have resumed payments. You just hear about the US because they’re basically helping Israel hold the door shut, and every time they let it loose a little, aid can come in, which sounds like they did something good when it’s more like they stopped doing something bad. Hell, they’re supporting Israel while it blocks off aid through truck, which would be the one actual efficient way to deliver it (that little pier is doing barely anything and apparently even falling apart btw). One million people are being displaced right now. The President said they’d draw a red line in the sand before that happens, but operations have initiated in Rafah and nothing has happened.
So, if anyone is pretending that reality isn’t happening, it’s you. And tbh, I get it. It’s tough to reconcile good old America, innocent Israel, and grandpa Joe Biden with all the pictures of the dead Palestinian children and the rubble of their cities, put together with the proof of American bombs that are being used. It’s easier to not deal with it because our domestic problems are so big and no one here wants Trump to be President. But it’s happening, and you’ve got to face the problem so we can push our leaders to fix it, because it’s the US that are the ones causing it by shielding Israel from the rest of the world (except Germany), and we supposedly live in a democracy, where theoretically with enough popular support we should be able to pressure our politicians to change course on this disaster.
I always said President Biden is the lesser of the two evils. Mango Mussolini should shove off to fucking Moscow.
thanks again republicans for reminding us that expression of grievances is basically communism
how very freedom loving and democratic
I’ll expel US citizens
Orly?
Could be worse. He could be threatening to bomb them, like Obama did.
The people who need to see this will instead shut their eyes and cry gEnOcIdE jOe!!!
They could both be doing genocides you know. It doesn’t make Biden’s lack of response and continual support of Israel good, and it deserves to be criticized.
When he loses ship him over there
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.
When one of the donors complained that many of the students and professors protesting on campuses could one day hold positions of power in the United States, Trump called the demonstrators part of a “radical revolution” that he vowed to defeat.
Several influential Republican donors, including Miriam Adelson, have pressed Trump to publicly express support not only for Israel but also for Netanyahu, its embattled leader.
He also recalled that he had “a bad experience with Bibi,” claiming that Israel had planned to participate in the 2020 U.S. strike that killed Iranian General Qasem Soleimani but backed out at the last minute.
Trump and Netanyahu’s relationship will “continue to prosper and flourish” if they’re both in office at the same time again, Matthew Brooks, chief executive of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said in an interview.
The group watched gruesome footage of the Oct. 7 attack and toured parts of the country where Israelis had been killed or kidnapped, making for an “educational visit that was life-changing,” McMullen said.
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