Yeah, if you want the war to continue go put your money where your mouth is instead of cheering for other people to die while you sit here and bloviate. Orban is a piece of shit, but him trying to keep his country out of a war is an objectively good thing, and only an utter deplorable piece of human garbage would think otherwise.
I guess countries should stay out Israel and Palestine too and just let Israel do it’s genocide after all they just want to keep their country out of it. Also anyone defending Palestine should instead go to fight there personally, after all the war should end, no matter the outcome, right?
Given that US material and political support is the only reason Israel is able to carry out a genocide, US staying the fuck out would in fact improve the situation immeasurably.
He’s actually advocating for a ceasefire in Palestine not an extended war. Thus he has no reason to start fighting. Unlike Ukraine fanatics that only want to send Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder but not themselves
Ah, so you would never defend Palestine rhetorically and believe all countries should just stay out and let Israel finish their genocide just to end the war as quick as possible, gotcha.
He’s actually advocating for a ceasefire in Palestine not an extended war. Thus he has no reason to start fighting. Unlike Ukraine fanatics that only want to send Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder but not themselves
Oh, my preferred outcome for Ukraine is for Russia to pull out their troops, I’m very much for the fighting to stop in that manner. But that outcome is as likely as Israel just stopping oppressing Palestinians out of the blue.
Israel isn’t going to stop their war on their own accord, just like Russia. And just like Russia even if there is a temporary cesefire they will keep the territory taken and try again in some time, that has been the history of both Israel and Russia.
So the best outcome would be to give Ukraine the weapons they want to defend themselves because without those the war won’t end, Russia will just take Ukraine and they will get more mass graves of civilians and freedom fighters. I’m just sad Palestine doesn’t have a proper army that could be armed to defend Palestinians.
The idea that advocating for a nation to be able to defend itself against an aggressor means you need to be on the front line is truly pants on head removed though.
In Ukraine support to continue fighting has polled really high, over 70% support is what I saw at the start of this year so I’m not sure where you are getting that Ukraine is forced to fight. Like I’m sure some people have gotten conscripted that don’t want to fight but saying the entire Ukraine military is fighting against it’s will is absolutely false.
The United States and its Western allies took a key step Saturday toward using frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine’s war effort, moving closer to providing another key financial stream for Kyiv.
You do realize that this is a massive self own for the west right? Russia already lost access to those assets when they were frozen, and they have retaliated by seizing western assets in Russia. What this does accomplish is to demonstrate that western financial system is lawless, and the west will steal sovereign assets. This is only going to accelerate other countries pulling their assets out of the western system. This is why all the western banks and legal experts have been resisting this move.
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Yeah, if you want the war to continue go put your money where your mouth is instead of cheering for other people to die while you sit here and bloviate. Orban is a piece of shit, but him trying to keep his country out of a war is an objectively good thing, and only an utter deplorable piece of human garbage would think otherwise.
I guess countries should stay out Israel and Palestine too and just let Israel do it’s genocide after all they just want to keep their country out of it. Also anyone defending Palestine should instead go to fight there personally, after all the war should end, no matter the outcome, right?
Given that US material and political support is the only reason Israel is able to carry out a genocide, US staying the fuck out would in fact improve the situation immeasurably.
That sounds like too much posting on Lemmy and not enough fighting in Palestine.
He’s actually advocating for a ceasefire in Palestine not an extended war. Thus he has no reason to start fighting. Unlike Ukraine fanatics that only want to send Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder but not themselves
I love how bad at trolling you are, since nowhere am I advocating for more fighting in Palestine. Try harder little buddy.
Ah, so you would never defend Palestine rhetorically and believe all countries should just stay out and let Israel finish their genocide just to end the war as quick as possible, gotcha.
I see reading comprehension isn’t your forte, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
He’s actually advocating for a ceasefire in Palestine not an extended war. Thus he has no reason to start fighting. Unlike Ukraine fanatics that only want to send Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder but not themselves
Oh, my preferred outcome for Ukraine is for Russia to pull out their troops, I’m very much for the fighting to stop in that manner. But that outcome is as likely as Israel just stopping oppressing Palestinians out of the blue.
Israel isn’t going to stop their war on their own accord, just like Russia. And just like Russia even if there is a temporary cesefire they will keep the territory taken and try again in some time, that has been the history of both Israel and Russia.
So the best outcome would be to give Ukraine the weapons they want to defend themselves because without those the war won’t end, Russia will just take Ukraine and they will get more mass graves of civilians and freedom fighters. I’m just sad Palestine doesn’t have a proper army that could be armed to defend Palestinians.
The idea that advocating for a nation to be able to defend itself against an aggressor means you need to be on the front line is truly pants on head removed though.
Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.
Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.
The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.
Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.
Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.
The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.
In Ukraine support to continue fighting has polled really high, over 70% support is what I saw at the start of this year so I’m not sure where you are getting that Ukraine is forced to fight. Like I’m sure some people have gotten conscripted that don’t want to fight but saying the entire Ukraine military is fighting against it’s will is absolutely false.
Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.
Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.
The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.
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You do realize that this is a massive self own for the west right? Russia already lost access to those assets when they were frozen, and they have retaliated by seizing western assets in Russia. What this does accomplish is to demonstrate that western financial system is lawless, and the west will steal sovereign assets. This is only going to accelerate other countries pulling their assets out of the western system. This is why all the western banks and legal experts have been resisting this move.
Meanwhile, the actual problem the west has in this proxy war is lack of industrial capacity to produce the weapons. This problem can’t be solved with money. Evidently, there are still people out there who can’t grasp this after two years of the war. However, actual experts understand the situation perfectly well https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
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