• Galven@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Yes, you know how people who don’t know what they’re doing routinely start super successful car companies and massively successful space exploration companies that launch more mass to space than the rest of the world combined, any chump can do that, trillion dollar car companies grow on fucking trees!

    Elon haters are fucking pathetic.

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      Well when your dad owns an emerald mine, you come from insane wealth and privilege, you don’t “start” businesses rather just buy the work from under the people who actually built the business, and throw a weekly temper tantrum on social media because someone hurt your feelings, it’s pretty easy.

      It’s wild that Elon fanboys actually attribute much of his success to him. His operating of Twitter alone shows what a colossal failure and idiot he is.

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        His father owned stocks in an emerald mine, he didn’t own the whole thing, his father also beat the everloving shit out of him on a regular basis.

        Second, twitter, for the first time since its founding, has a chance to be profitable, if that is a “colossal failiure”, you’re delusional.

        I don’t care how much you like him or hate him, but to assign all the bad things that happen to his companies as his fault, and to assign all successes of his companies to someone else is intellectually dishonest.

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          His father owned stocks in an emerald mine, he didn’t own the whole thing

          Weird to split hairs like this when the result of being part owner in the emerald mine meant “We had so much money we couldn’t even close our safe.” (Elon Musk, 2018). Sorry if I don’t worship the ground of an entitled, mega-priviledged, rich kid who was funded by his father.

          …twitter, for the first time since its founding, has a chance to be profitable…

          There is 0 evidence of this and if you live in the real world, you’d know this is not how things work. Just because a group of delusional incels view him as a messiah, doesn’t mean the market agrees. Everything he’s done since buying Twitter shows how disconnected to reality he is.

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            In the grand scheme of things, his fathers money was a drop in the bucket, you can call him mega-priviledged all you want, if the world gave you ten times the amount of money musk’s father gave him(a figure that still hasn’t been given, so it might be zero, considering his relationship with his father), you couldn’t do 1/10th of what he did. Until he sold x.com, his mother was living in a rent-controlled apartment. Also, i didn’t know that having your father beat you was a privilege.

            The evidance is that musk hasn’t needed to sell any more tesla stock to cover the company’s expenses.

            Look, mate, I’m not trying to convince you, if you’re looking for a boogieman, you’ll find him. Whether it’s musk or bezos or zuck or bill or whomever, doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

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      Elon bought Tesla en kicked out the founders. Its very easy to buy shit, make others do all the work, and take credit afterwards.

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      Hahahaha…he didn’t start Tesla or spaceX

      He did sue the founders of Tesla, the settlement demanded they refer to themselves as “co-founders” and not publicly refute him calling himself the founder.

      There’s speculation that the spaceX founders signed a similar NDA, but the company existed before him, and their goal was always scaling up spaceflight

      Musk is good at two things, fundraising from Uncle Sam, and hype. And he did those well, and if he stuck to that I’d still be singing his praises… Except he hasn’t.

      He’s not a smart man technically - a decade ago I first read a post-mortem about how he was booted from the company that bought PayPal (and put him on the map when they sold it, as he still had shares). They kicked him out for utterly failing to build a payment platform as he promised, then pushing they switch everything from Linux to Windows, refusing to understand that was impractically difficult (and just a bad idea, even Microsoft runs Linux on their servers now). He kept pushing this and being distributive, and so they threw him out

      Every time he’s tried to start something, it failed - he can’t build a team to save his life.

      He’s good at hype and having money, I used to say “he’s a billionaire who read a lot of sci-fi growing up… That’s not the worst thing to be”.

      Now? He’s convincing people his abusive management strategies brought this success, but those teams were long formed by people who deeply care about the future of humanity. They’re driven, intelligent, and passionate people - did they succeed because of him, or in spite of him?

      I can’t say for sure, but I can say for sure that they could’ve done this with someone else at the helm, but he couldn’t have done it from scratch

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      any chump can do that

      Having or being given the resources to, anyone with a decent head on thier shoulders can start a sucessful company. Maybe even a stupidly successful one–but that depends on both how you well you play your cards (or how well you can keep up apperances, anyways. We’re all human. We all have our screw ups, we all have some weird takes, and we all think we’re smarter than we actually are. Reality is, very very few of us are actually “smart” in the sense that we surpass the averge intellengance of our species. Some of us are damn good at passing themselves off as smarter, tho) and how stupidly good your luck is. I mean, that’s basically Elon in a nutshell…well, it would be if he started said sucessful car company instead of taking it over, but details, details.

      Many can do what he did, some probably even better. But being that not many people have the advantages of starting out with the right resources like Elon started with, you don’t normally see it.