• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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    That all ideas stem from material conditions and no material conditions are the result of ideas.

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      All ideas stem from material conditions, but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.

      That’s the driving force of history.

      It’s absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.

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        All ideas stem from material conditions

        but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.

        You’re FAR too fixated on matter. How old are you again? Did you recently read philosophy for the first time and it just so happened to be of a materialist nature? Because you’re very much giving off that “child repeating things they don’t understand” vibe.

        That’s the driving force of history.

        Nope. It’s MUCH more varied and complex than just people interacting with matter.

        It’s absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.

        Not anymore absurd than your extreme oversimplification of the concepts of knowledge and opinion.

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          It is absolutely absurd to think that matter changes depending on how you percieve it. You’re deeply unserious.

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            IDEAS change depending on how you perceive them. Matter isn’t always involved at all. Not everything is arranged in neat rows to fit your silly pet theory.

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              And your perception is based on matter, yes. The outputs are made of inputs.

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                I’m beginning to think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding at play here. Could you do me a favor and define exactly what you mean by “matter”?

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                  Matter. Existing mass.

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                    So you ARE talking about physical matter as the foundation of all ideas?

                    Alrighty then, no reason for me to keep wasting my time trying to talk you out of your delusion. Have a nice day.