PROTIP: Opposition to interventionism in the Middle East does not have to equate to support for the currently extant states therein.

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    6 months ago

    A whataboutism on an unrelated issue using “my Iranian friends”, no less! About what I expected after being confronted with the actual mass protests against the regime and the murderous response from the Islamic Republic, lol.

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        6 months ago

        lol whataboutism, I’m not debating you

        Cool, thanks for not disputing anything I’ve said by bringing up unrelated issues. Glad you agree that the Islamic Republic is a murderous regime that deserves to be toppled, and I’m especially glad you agreed without going off on any tangents about unrelated issues to say “BUT OTHER PLACES BAD TOO”, or by trying to initially insinuate that “Real Iranians” aren’t against the regime. :)

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          I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government. We saw this with Iraq and Afghanistan, I don’t know how you people refuse to learn, that is the real evidence of bad faith in this conversation.

          I don’t live in Iran, or even in Russia right now so undermining those specific governments is not high on my agenda (I’m not on state department payroll).

          I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.

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            6 months ago

            I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government.

            I didn’t realize that an attempted toppling by the Iranian people, put down by overwhelming force, including widespread use of sexual violence, was an attempt at an ‘occupation government’. But it’s unsurprising to hear such an opinion from a defender of the Islamic Republic.

            I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.

            And spending your energy defending bloodthirsty dictatorships elsewhere, apparently. :)

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              Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad? is this a case of ends justify the means?

              And spending your energy defending bloodthirsty dictatorships elsewhere, apparently. :)

              You’re the one rageposting that the people who don’t support your genocide are not voting for your team this election

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                Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad?

                So now the Mahsa Amini protests were caused by Western meddling? Fucking lmao.

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                  So now the Mahsa Amini protests were caused by Western meddling? Fucking lmao.

                  you had said:

                  Glad you agree that the Islamic Republic is a murderous regime that deserves to be toppled

                  so my later response was:

                  Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad? is this a case of ends justify the means

                  If it happens from people internally having their political will recognized then that’s a good thing.

                  If it happens from a military intervention like with Afghanistan and Iraq, (or with a bunch of state department ghouls dumping money on ISIS for terrorist attacks) that’s a bad thing.

                  I could make fun of you for struggling with reading, but this is clearly bad faith- You made a call to action that I was pointing out doesn’t really mean that you end up with any less of a dictatorship. I mean the Taliban is back in control in Afghanistan after America lost that conflict.

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                    If it happens from people internally having their political will recognized then that’s a good thing.

                    Yep, and since I was talking about the Mahsa Amini protests from the start, quite explicitly so, to the point of linking to an article referencing them, I’m glad you agree with me. I mean, it took a little waffling around on your part on how you find opposition to the Islamic Republic ‘farcicial’ because you have ‘Iranian friends’ who are concerned about the Palestinian genocide (how that changes their mind on the Islamic Republic, I’m not quite sure), but you came around in the end, and that’s what counts.