PROTIP: Opposition to interventionism in the Middle East does not have to equate to support for the currently extant states therein.
PROTIP: Opposition to interventionism in the Middle East does not have to equate to support for the currently extant states therein.
I’m not super keen on toppling governments because “democracy” that you deliver to people by destroying their government is not democracy it is an occupation government. We saw this with Iraq and Afghanistan, I don’t know how you people refuse to learn, that is the real evidence of bad faith in this conversation.
I don’t live in Iran, or even in Russia right now so undermining those specific governments is not high on my agenda (I’m not on state department payroll).
I’ll just continue to direct my energies towards shittalking the bloodthirsty dictatorship where I live, the United States.
I didn’t realize that an attempted toppling by the Iranian people, put down by overwhelming force, including widespread use of sexual violence, was an attempt at an ‘occupation government’. But it’s unsurprising to hear such an opinion from a defender of the Islamic Republic.
And spending your energy defending bloodthirsty dictatorships elsewhere, apparently. :)
Aren’t you guys the ones super mad about meddling in other peoples governments? That’s the whole reason you’re you’re mad at Putin with Trump, what about you doing it makes it less bad? is this a case of ends justify the means?
You’re the one rageposting that the people who don’t support your genocide are not voting for your team this election
So now the Mahsa Amini protests were caused by Western meddling? Fucking lmao.
you had said:
so my later response was:
If it happens from people internally having their political will recognized then that’s a good thing.
If it happens from a military intervention like with Afghanistan and Iraq, (or with a bunch of state department ghouls dumping money on ISIS for terrorist attacks) that’s a bad thing.
I could make fun of you for struggling with reading, but this is clearly bad faith- You made a call to action that I was pointing out doesn’t really mean that you end up with any less of a dictatorship. I mean the Taliban is back in control in Afghanistan after America lost that conflict.
Yep, and since I was talking about the Mahsa Amini protests from the start, quite explicitly so, to the point of linking to an article referencing them, I’m glad you agree with me. I mean, it took a little waffling around on your part on how you find opposition to the Islamic Republic ‘farcicial’ because you have ‘Iranian friends’ who are concerned about the Palestinian genocide (how that changes their mind on the Islamic Republic, I’m not quite sure), but you came around in the end, and that’s what counts.
You seem completely incapable of nuance, which is hilarious considering how mad you get at people no supporting your choice of genocidal corpse president.
Let me paint you a picture- I remember freshman year having my roommate tell me he was “Persian” and he seemed straight up embarrassed by the Islamic republic - he was even in Iran visiting family during 2022 for those protests and was helping get people out of prison.
After ~November 2023 and the obvious genocide starting in Gaza he started going to protests against it- and was shocked at how the liberals he was friends with immediately turned on him and started producing absolutely horrifying rationalizations justifying Israels actions (I saw this play out in our group chat)
He often vents to me how in his expat whatsapp groups there’s always people (often from incredible wealth) who are absolutely fixated on wanting to ‘topple’ the government to the exclusion of all other issues, including the genocide that has killed orders of magnitude more people outright than Iranian state repression.
You seem fixated on the idea that we worship these governments and it really seems like projection, especially considering how defensive you get over the US government and its wanton destruction.
Sorry that you’re so eager for genocide and mass sexual violence here under a Christian Republic in the same Abrahamic vein as Iran’s current government, but I don’t really see the relevance?
Considering that you were just WhatAbouting the Islamic Republic’s mass murder and sexual violence against protesters? Uh, gonna go with “It doesn’t matter if you count that as worship, it’s still bad”.
Look I voted for Hillary last time, you clearly don’t need my vote this time.
This is the part where you just make shit up so I have to spend time responding. You are the one trying to browbeat people into approving your teams genocide.