Do any of them know what the word “liberal” actually means?

  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    How would you distinguish between Manchin Democrats, McCain Republicans, and MAGAs? I would call the former two “conservative” and the latter “reactionary”, but if you consider all of them to be reactionary, what labels would you use to differentiate them?

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      6 months ago

      They are indeed all reactionary, though I would use Liberal and Fascist. All 3 are conservative liberals, and all 3 reject leftist movement, but MAGA in particular is a fascist movement.

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        6 months ago

        Ok that makes sense. So Elizabeth Warren vs Joe Biden vs Joe Manchin? Any differences there?

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          6 months ago

          Minor. All 3 are liberals and all 3 are reactionary. Getting into the weeds for specifics won’t really change their overall labels.

          They all support “current system + minor tweaks,” and the “current system” part does heavier lifting than “minor tweaks.”

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            6 months ago

            Is there anyone who is neither a leftist nor a reactionary? Or do you think everyone has to be either for worker ownership (leftist) or against it (reactionary)?

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              6 months ago

              It’s a spectrum, unintentional anti-leftism due to a lack of information isn’t as reactionary as fascism, but both are reactionary.

              Generally, you either support moving on to the next mode of production, or you reject that movement.

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                6 months ago

                Got it. I still reject your central premise of hard labels regardless of real-world context, but everything you’re saying makes sense and is internally consistent within that premise.

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                  6 months ago

                  We disagree on a ton, but I don’t believe either of us have been internally inconsistent.