Anything that isn’t Western news? Like literally anything
Telesur, CGTN, hell, even RT or Sputnik, literally anything
Edit: How about this: use your common sense? The US has lied about WMDs in Iraq, so maybe believing what it says about one of the countries it hates the most isn’t a good idea?
Doing a big Gish Gallop like this is a good tactic. It looks like you’re addressing the question, and doing it at length with overwhelming weight of evidence, but then if I cite something else from CBS News like you did, you can say “Aha! Western news, I discard!” If I start talking about Tienanmen Square then we can go back and forth a little and then you can change the subject to something else, and you can do that more or less any number of times.
It’s pretty easy to find accurate reasons why Western news sources are often biased, or wrong. If you just keep hammering that idea, and refuse under any circumstances to clarify what sources you do trust, then it’s easy to obfuscate the discussion way far away from comparing what happened in Hong Kong to what happened in the US. This kind of titanic difficulty in pinning down the facts is a hallmark of what happens when you argue with someone who doesn’t like factual discussions.
Of course, you’re not obligated to talk with me. Cheers and good luck.
Al Jazeera? That to me is a pretty good combination of, not real Western friendly but also a largely independent news organization. And it is, literally anything.
CGTN, RT, and Sputnik are all operated by the governments in question; it would be like me reporting something I found on the White House’s web site. Telesur is a little more separated from China specifically, but still state-run, and it looks to me like they’re sort of the mirror image of the New York Times or something. I don’t really know them but looking right now it looks like they more or less just report whatever the Russian or Chinese governments are telling them.
Do you know of a non-Western non-state-operated outlet besides Al Jazeera? I’m happy with Al Jazeera.
Sure. What are some sources do you trust that I could cite?
Anything that isn’t Western news? Like literally anything
Telesur, CGTN, hell, even RT or Sputnik, literally anything
Edit: How about this: use your common sense? The US has lied about WMDs in Iraq, so maybe believing what it says about one of the countries it hates the most isn’t a good idea?
No you see, the US media is 100% trustworthy when it comes to the evil enemy these days, they got it wrong in the past, but you can trust them now, for realsies. They certainly haven’t tried to deceive the public on law and order in China in the past. If that’s not good enough, how about a smug “everyone knows it” when making some outrageous claim about China? After all, it’s on wikipedia, which makes it true as well. It’s not like the US government would manipulate wikipedia! It’s certainly fine to trust the US government when it comes to China, They certainly wouldn’t lie about things happening in China to further their geopolitical interests And even so, we can certainly trust the independent reporting from other five eyes countries. But hey, there’s youtubers, regular people, just perfectly ordinary people who talk about how horrible China is. We can trust them! Indeed, if you don’t think China is an evil authoritarian hellhole a million billion times worse than America, you’re clearly brainwashed.
I’m replying to you with this tongue in cheek link dump because I want lurkers to see it, but I don’t want to waste my time with this POS lib anymore.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Doing a big Gish Gallop like this is a good tactic. It looks like you’re addressing the question, and doing it at length with overwhelming weight of evidence, but then if I cite something else from CBS News like you did, you can say “Aha! Western news, I discard!” If I start talking about Tienanmen Square then we can go back and forth a little and then you can change the subject to something else, and you can do that more or less any number of times.
It’s pretty easy to find accurate reasons why Western news sources are often biased, or wrong. If you just keep hammering that idea, and refuse under any circumstances to clarify what sources you do trust, then it’s easy to obfuscate the discussion way far away from comparing what happened in Hong Kong to what happened in the US. This kind of titanic difficulty in pinning down the facts is a hallmark of what happens when you argue with someone who doesn’t like factual discussions.
Of course, you’re not obligated to talk with me. Cheers and good luck.
Al Jazeera? That to me is a pretty good combination of, not real Western friendly but also a largely independent news organization. And it is, literally anything.
CGTN, RT, and Sputnik are all operated by the governments in question; it would be like me reporting something I found on the White House’s web site. Telesur is a little more separated from China specifically, but still state-run, and it looks to me like they’re sort of the mirror image of the New York Times or something. I don’t really know them but looking right now it looks like they more or less just report whatever the Russian or Chinese governments are telling them.
Do you know of a non-Western non-state-operated outlet besides Al Jazeera? I’m happy with Al Jazeera.