Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.
Just a reminder…
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Don’t worry, that’s what the fascist simps want. But they’re totally Leftists, don’t worry; enabling fascism is just good praxis. /s
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Yes, you’re right. When given a binary choice it’s always worse to choose the side that will bring more fascism. I’m glad you recognized that at one point. Hopefully you can come back around to it.
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Out of the three choices available to me it’s brought the least fascism one can muster through the voting process. Not voting is a way to bring about marginally more fascism (I especially hope you are voting locally right?) There are 3 years and 364 other days to do political action. Please use those. I don’t see voting as anything but an awful way to choose the lesser of two evils and as a miniscule but necessary part of mine and your capacity for political action.
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I wholeheartedly encourage you to spend your time advocating for socialism and trying to revive the movement, hell, I’ve spent time canvasing for local socialist candidates. You know what that didn’t stop me from doing? Spending 20 minutes walking to my polling place once every 4 years to vote for the least fascist out of 2 shitty candidates.
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We know this isn’t an age-restricted reaction, so cool it with the “shaming young people” rhetoric.
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I’m not even American but didn’t the republicans do the exact same thing with “America under biden” using pictures of America under Trump.
Yes.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean, but both sides have their defenders and haters making pictures, toons, caricatures etc like this of their opponent, they always have. But it so happens that this particular artist doesn’t like Trump or Biden (same as me).
“i am trump and i aprove of this message”
You want to have genocide And fascism? Because this is how you get genocide and fascism.
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Go read a history book, please
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Trump is worse, of course, but you are getting mainly downvotes because this is basically true and there is no counterargument that doesn’t depend on the fact that American politics is broken. The comic isn’t totally right (e.g. project 2025 is not Biden’s plan) but it’s too close for comfort for some people.
Think about the response if Trump was funding a genocide and protesters were being arrested, silenced and vilified under his watch. Every single comment section would be flooded with people explaining how this is a key pillar of fascism.
But it’s all fine and people should grin and bear it because the bar is so fucking low you’re more likely to stub your toe on it than fail to clear it.
Organise a general strike to demand sweeping reforms.
Voting strategically is the bare minimum for when things are basically fine. They’re not. We have to do more.
The sheer number of smug, privileged both-sidesers on Lemmy is absolutely staggering.
A) It doesn’t look like him and it took me way too long to figure it out.
B) You’re a shitty artist. Maybe take up piano.
C) It doesn’t make any fuckin sense and won’t sway me in any way other than not listening to you.
The big text bubble that says “vote for me” didn’t clue you in to the caricature 's identity?? Like, not at all??
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Sick homophobia, bro! I will be sure to value your opinion highly 👍
Sick burn! I mean blowjobs can be hetro too!
You sure showed them! They thought you were being homophobic, when in fact, you were being sexist! Owned!
Oh yea! Because it was supposed to be taken literally. You sure outsmarted me.
Wtf is this ugly shit
Eli valley, he draws em like they are.
Man, this last few dozen presidential voting cycles have been shittier and shittier every 4 years.
It’s no wonder people aren’t interested in voting, of course if they were some of these problems would sort themselves out… regardless, it’s hard to encourage people to vote when you’re voting against a shit sandwich and a literal piece of shit.
Man that Boingo kid from JoJos Bizzare Adventure got into some weird circles since Stardust Crusaders
Isn’t this like the trolley problem?
Nah in the trolley problem you have agency
Yeah. 2 track paths and a switch to flip or opt out of.
Pretty similar actually.
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Sure, you don’t have to do it if you don’t mind fascism and not getting to vote ever again.
As for everyone who ISN’T a fascism enabler, though? Bit of a moral imperative.
Pretty fucking depressing that the anti fascism vote is also the keep supporting genocide vote. It’s a trolley problem but one track only has foreigners tied to it so we’re supposed to cheer for that option I guess
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One track has Palestinians tied to it, the other track has more Palestinians tied to it, Ukrainians and probably others tied to it, AND American minorities by the bushel.
If you’re looking for a point in history when there wasn’t someone getting hit by the trolley, you’ll be looking a while. We have to find the choice that is most achievable and least damaging.
One track has Palestinians tied to it, the other track has more Palestinians tied to it, Ukrainians and probably others tied to it, AND American minorities by the bushel.
Yeah wooooo go Biden so proud 🤣 vote democrat, we will probably be responsible for less death and suffering. New slogan right there. “SLIGHTLY! LESS! DEATH!”
It’s a complicated situation though golly who knows how to fix this problem
We have to find the choice that is most achievable and least damaging.
The smart people know that. Only problem is that not all of the people are smart and they all have the same voting power
vote democrat, we will probably be responsible for less death and suffering. New slogan right there. “SLIGHTLY! LESS! DEATH!”
That’s the slogan for every positive action throughout human history. We don’t have the luxury of choices which hurt no one on the societal scale.
I’m not saying it’s a bad decision given the situation. I’m saying the situation is dog shit and perhaps will come back to bite us in the ass when “slightly less death!” isn’t the biggest motivation to get out and vote.
I would be more sympathetic to your point if Biden couldn’t stop supporting this immediately with relative ease. Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats. It’s not like it would hurt his election chances. It’s not like the protests this has inspired are a good look anyway.
Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats. It’s not like it would hurt his election chances.
That’s literally not true though.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/548084/americans-divided-involvement-middle-east.aspx
Americans Divided Over U.S. Support for Israel and the Palestinians Do you think the United States supports [Israel/the Palestinians] too much, about the right amount or too little? % Too much% Right amount% Too little% No opinion U.S. support for Israel U.S. adults 36 38 24 Republicans 26 37 37 Independents 40 36 22 Democrats 40 43 15
Most Americans, including most Democrats, think that the current level of support for Israel is either correct or too little.
More recent poll:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
Overall 55% disapprove of Israel’s actions and only 36% approve, plus
Democrats, who were already largely opposed in November, are even more so now, with 18% approving and 75% disapproving.
And
Biden’s approval rating for his handling of the situation in the Middle East, at 27%, is his lowest among five issues tested in the survey.
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If you’re looking for a point in history when there wasn’t someone getting hit by the trolley, you’ll be looking a while.
“It’s the way we’ve always done it” isn’t a justification for continuing.
Feel free to get back to me when you develop your magic “Everyone wins and no one is hurt” formula for actions on a societal scale.
It doesn’t have to be “everyone wins and no one gets hurt” in order to be better than supporting genocide.
You’re seriously casting “stop supporting genocide” as a pipe dream for people with unrealistic expectations.
You’re seriously casting “stop supporting genocide” as a pipe dream for people with unrealistic expectations.
Congratulations. You’ve ‘stopped supporting genocide’ by witholding your vote for mean ol’ Biden. That’ll show him!
The trolley now goes down the Trump rail, and crushes even more Palestinians, in addition to Ukrainians, American minorities, and god knows who else.
Yeah, gonna go ahead and say that “CORNEL WEST COMES OUT OF THE DRESSING ROOM WITH A STEEL CHAIR!” or whatever the red herring candidate du jour is is a fucking pipe dream.
Congratulations. You’ve ‘stopped supporting genocide’ by witholding your vote for mean ol’ Biden. That’ll show him!
I’m still voting for Biden, just like I was last time you made this baseless accusation.
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We already have fascism already, and no real elections.
Fucking lmao.
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I will never vote for Joe Biden again. That decision was made many years ago and has nothing to do with his vile actions over the past few years.
If you feel like maybe you don’t wanna vote for Biden either, because he’s a genocidare or because he gave up on getting roe back or because he literally just came out and said the campus protests are wrong and he won’t change his mind, join me and cast a ballot for PSL at the presidential level instead.
Send a clear message that when the democrats run genocide Joe they won’t get your vote.
And more importantly, go get chummy with your neighbors. Make sure you have a few weeks worth of food in the pantry, get your finances straightened out, stay hydrated and keep some water in rotation.
No one knows what we’re facing in the future, but you can be a stabilizing force for yourself and those around you no matter what it is.
Project 2025 thanks you for your service.
If you cared about that you’d be pressuring the democrats to run someone else.
If you believed it was a real threat you wouldn’t be trying to shame and browbeat people into casting a ballot for the democrats vile running dog and preparing to endure a time of upheaval instead.
If you cared about that you’d be pressuring the democrats to run someone else.
Who says I’m not?
If you believed it was a real threat you wouldn’t be trying to shame and browbeat people into casting a ballot for the democrats vile running dog and preparing to endure a time of upheaval instead.
And if you were a decent person you’d hold your nose and vote against the obvious worse choice.
But you both-sidesers just want to pat yourselves on the back.
I already said I won’t vote for Joe Biden. Nothing you say will ever convince me and the only effect your replies can have is on third party readers of them.
It doesn’t make me a bad person that there’s a bridge too far for lending my paltry, unimportant political support. Biden crossed that bridge before I even voted for him the first and only time in 2008.
I will be voting against trump though, since my PSL ballot isn’t gonna be counted for him.
If you think me and people like me (a group that is growing by the minute as Biden continues to carry water for Zionist fascism) are necessary for a democrat victory and you see that as of the highest importance, join us and add to the pressure the democrats are under to pick a different candidate.
And again, from his privileged high horse, does he push the agenda of not voting for Biden and enabling a Trump victory.
Fuck women’s rights, this is about moral superiority, dear reader!
Running Biden enables a trump victory.
I’m not the one doing that, the democrats are.
Having a standard that is above genocide isnt an indicator of moral superiority.
Running Biden enables a trump victory.
Votes enable or disable a victory. Everything else is abstraction.
Fuck women’s rights
Roe v Wade got obliterated in 2022, btw. Instead of codifying it when he entered office, he stood by and let it get scrapped. This does not sound like someone who respects women’s bodily autonomy.
Gee I wonder who stacked the courts with the specific goal of doing just that…
Nah, let’s blame the guy who didn’t bypass the supposed checks and balances that we would scream at the right for abusing instead.
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At this point, I honestly doubt Biden will do anything to stop this from happening anyways. I have 0 confidence he will do what needs to be done to protect trans people.
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