Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

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    I already said I won’t vote for Joe Biden. Nothing you say will ever convince me and the only effect your replies can have is on third party readers of them.

    It doesn’t make me a bad person that there’s a bridge too far for lending my paltry, unimportant political support. Biden crossed that bridge before I even voted for him the first and only time in 2008.

    I will be voting against trump though, since my PSL ballot isn’t gonna be counted for him.

    If you think me and people like me (a group that is growing by the minute as Biden continues to carry water for Zionist fascism) are necessary for a democrat victory and you see that as of the highest importance, join us and add to the pressure the democrats are under to pick a different candidate.

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      And again, from his privileged high horse, does he push the agenda of not voting for Biden and enabling a Trump victory.

      Fuck women’s rights, this is about moral superiority, dear reader!

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        Running Biden enables a trump victory.

        I’m not the one doing that, the democrats are.

        Having a standard that is above genocide isnt an indicator of moral superiority.

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          Running Biden enables a trump victory.

          Votes enable or disable a victory. Everything else is abstraction.

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            Okay, I’m voting for a PSL victory.

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              Which, you know, is effectively impossible. So it’s a throwaway vote. And you’ll counter that you’re in a red state anyways so Biden vote would be a throwaway too.

              But then what you’re actually doing here and elsewhere is pushing the agenda for others to actively not vote for Biden; which, in other places, is absolutely not consistent with voting against Trump.

              You are privileged enough to not have to care whether Bad or Worse gets elected. Must be nice.

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                It’s possible if you vote for them.

                My state might be a battleground tbh, idk. It doesn’t enter into my decision making.

                I am literally out here trying to normalize not voting for Biden. They’re running the worst born loser trash candidate ever and he had an active hand in destroying this country over the last fifty years, is pissing away tax dollars on two foreign wars, one of which is a genocide and is speaking out in favor of people cracking protestor skulls.

                Join me, walk away from omelas. Lend your voice to the chorus that the democrat strategists hear at night before their fitful sleep. Reject their awful candidate and demand better.

                Don’t hope for something better, demand it.

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                  It’s way too late to genuinely campaign for that result. You know that.

                  The next thing that happens from here is that either Biden or Trump get elected. There is only one way to meaningfully vote against Trump. Anything else signals either plain ignorance, or a disregard for those those who would be affected more negatively by Worse than they would by Bad

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                    Wow maybe you should join me in loudly and clearly telling people that you won’t vote for Biden so they run someone electable on the ticket?

                    If you need my vote to win then you can either join me or lose.

                    If you don’t need my vote to win then what do you care?

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        Fuck women’s rights

        Roe v Wade got obliterated in 2022, btw. Instead of codifying it when he entered office, he stood by and let it get scrapped. This does not sound like someone who respects women’s bodily autonomy.

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          Gee I wonder who stacked the courts with the specific goal of doing just that…

          Nah, let’s blame the guy who didn’t bypass the supposed checks and balances that we would scream at the right for abusing instead.

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            damn, sounds like Dems are powerless to stop the ever-advancing march of American fascism, and we should be organizing alternate power structures to protect the most vulnerable around us, rather than hoping they’ll decide to do something useful this time around!

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              Agreed.

              Handing the election to Worse to spite Bad is obviously not the way to make that happen.

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                I’m not handing the election to anybody, I get one vote and it’s going to the PSL. You can place the blame for losing on the Dems for running such an absolute dogshit campaign and candidate.

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                  You get one vote and you choose to throw it away (because you’re smart enough to know how the system works and what the stakes are right now) instead of using it in the only way that can meaningfully prevent Worse from beating Bad.

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                    I’m not throwing anything away, I’m voting for the party that most represents my interests! This is the fundamental basis of a democracy! I’m sorry that your candidate is fucking garbage, but there’s no way I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for an octogenarian apartheid lover again. Maybe the party should’ve listened when so many people withheld their vote or voted “uncommitted” that it actually made the news.