I know it’s .ml where such things happen but ffs! This guy needs to fucking chill 🤦
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This is the comment and of course toothy banned me for 3 days too.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
Just love the thing where they twist any criticism of the Chinese state into perceived hate for Chinese people, but are so apprehensive when Israel tries to do the same. It’s reprehensible.
I got banned for “orientalism”, whatever that is
Orientalism is this stuff.
Idk I personally enjoy seeing terms I learned in grad school being thrown around in a mod log.
Paradigm shifts keep the brain nimble.
This is the comment in question, for what it’s worth
I can’t see the whole comment.
Besides which it’s a qualitative judgment so unless they did a full on Content Analysis grid on your ass, I’d probably not know what they meant, unless you were doing something really obvious like calling the Chinese “inscrutible”.
I still kind of enjoy the novelty of seeing mods censor people for this arcane stuff. I wouldn’t want to be on that instance but I quite like visiting it.
I believe it was in reference to a comment about Mao and Stalin
Treating Asian culture or people as a particular stereotype.
Criticizing China in any way.
Ahhh now that adds up
Yeah that’s some petty bullshit.
Side note but I really appreciate the mod log feature.
Yeah, me too. It’s a great feature!
If only we could see mod names in the modlog…
You can in a link from your profile tab in Voyager, that’s were I got the dark mode screenshot from 🙂
Oh, that’s cool. But it would be cooler if it was visible in the instances’ modlog aswell
I was also banned from worldnews@lemmy.ml and had comments removed for “Re-enforcing neo-liberal cultural hegemony” and “Believes in objectivity in media lmao”.
My offense? Saying that a report sourced solely from an eye-witness account via Al-Jazeera regarding another massacre of civilians and aid workers in Gaza needed to be corroborated by further evidence before we regard it as hard fact. The irony is I’m very much pro-Palestinan.
According to the mods, however, that apparently means I have to throw all media literacy out of the window and blindly accept any anti-Israel claims without question.
That community is wild, but the discussion over Gaza over there is fucking crazy. Al Jazeera is one of their more credible sources, you can find articles from websites nobody every heard of, small blogs that state IDF soldiers are eating babies. And that is no exaggeration, that was the last thing I read before I left that community…
Exactly what prompted me to comment, since the blog that sourced Al-Jazeera also added certain details that didn’t seem based on anything like actual evidence. Although I admit it wasn’t anything near as extreme as the IDF canibalizing babies.
If we must call out pro-Israel propaganda that makes outrageous, unsubstantiated claims like that, we must do the same for pro-Palestinian propaganda, regardless of how we personally feel about the conflict.
I start almost every comment I make on those instances with
I know this will net me a ban
to play a bit of reverse psychology with the mods there, who don’t touch my comments when the denizens there inevitablely say
Oh yeah you think you’re so smart well we don’t ban opposing opinions unlike some places
And the mods there have their hands tied because banning me would prove their own guys wrong.
It’s worked pretty well so far.
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There’s such a polarization and paranoia that any comment that’s not 100% unwavering support is considered an attack.
Usually I hop in these threads ready to tell people why they deserve to be banned, but dang. There is nothing wrong, ethically or factually, in what you said.
One of their mods banned me for pointing out that Chiang Kai-Shek genocided the communists in China before the Long March. Sometimes they hurt themselves in their confusion.
Not saying he should have been banned, but factually it was wrong, the FRG was mostly staffed by “former” Nazis. A lot of Germans saw it that way, see Baader-Meinhof.
Also it’s disingenuous to call one of the biggest arms manufacturers who supplied arms to some of the worst regimes, Israel, Sudan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Russia “pacifist”.
Sure would be nice if your instance would allow you to rebut op with your view of the situation rather than scrub their comment and ban them. Lemmy needs more content to grow and over active jannies don’t help on that front.
Frankly everything these days is a matter of option. You aren’t going to get anywhere by trying to force an issue. A mod should simply let the community correct any factual errors so they are not getting involved.
To be fair discussing politics online was a disaster on day one
see Baader-Meinhof
Yep the whole thing was, in retrospect, the second wave of denazification. Less so about the actual ideology, but deeper attitudes underpinning it. Things like the Jubelperser incident are completely unthinkable nowadays. The attitude by far isn’t dead yet as you can see e.g. when it comes to the reaction to Extinction Rebellion but it’s quite a ways from its former harshness and unquestioned acceptance.
And just for the record: The RAF’s methods were never in any way popular. A cultish splinter group of a splinter group with very problematic internal dynamics not taking long to be more occupied with employing terrorism to free its members from prison than with any political struggle. Lots of issues with the urban guerilla in general, CCK Philosophy has an essay about it.
Reducing the whole 68 movement in Germany to the RAF would be doing it a great disservice.
And just for the record: The RAF’s methods were never in any way popular.
I have to say that it’s kind of annoying that the Red Army Faction shares an acronym with the Royal Air Force. Every time I see the thing, I do a momentary double-take.
They themselves couldn’t even get the name straight, in German publications they used Rote Armee Fraktion, in English Red Army Faction. The distinction between fraction and faction is the exact same in German and English (fraction is a mere part of a unified whole, while a faction disagrees with the rest of the whole, to put it simply).
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
CCK Philosophy has an essay about it
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
I have had my comment removed and/or banned from the ml worldnews for “misinformation” for debunking Russian propaganda with sources.
Why do we allow these instances?
You can ask your own instance admin if they’re willing to defederate
Who is “we”?
The lemmy devs run lemmy.ml. They’re kind of…out there, politically.
The lead dev, dessalines, has material like:
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html
Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.
Dessalines is in the “we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome” camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.
Like complaining about attacks on LGBT people while supporting Russia and the USSR seems just the most hypocritical thing I can think of. Does he not know Stalin mandated a 5 year minimum forced labor sentence in Siberia for being gay and Russia today is only mildly better for LGBT people.
Frankly, I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
That being said, I’m sure that dessalines didn’t originate that himself – that’s apparently big in Russia’s propaganda.
Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, rather infamously had a quote shortly after the start of the invasion, when asked about the whole “how anti-Semitic can Ukrainians be if they chose to elect a Jewish president” thing:
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/02/1095926607/lavrov-israel-zelenskyy-hitler
Lavrov was asked about Russia’s claim that it had invaded Ukraine to “denazify” the country, which has a democratically-elected Jewish president.
“So when they say ‘How can Nazification exist if we’re Jewish?’ In my opinion, Hitler also had Jewish origins, so it doesn’t mean absolutely anything,” he told the station in Russian, referring to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s religion, according to the Associated Press. “For some time we have heard from the Jewish people that the biggest antisemites were Jewish.”
Nazi and fascist have different meanings in Russia. They mean people working against the interests of Russia, it originates from the USSR. For example the gay community was labeled fascist during the soviet occupation here.
You know there crazy when they think the left is the far right
TBF the Azov Battalion is a real neo nazi us funded (through Ukraine support) group… So… Not entirely wrong?
Sure. You can find ideologically opposite militias fighting for Ukraine too, though. Zelensky is in charge and he’s obviously not a Nazi. He’s a Jewish guy who really wants to save Ukraine as it is and is completely willing to go full Western-progressive to do it. Singling Azov out without the context is basically a propaganda technique.
Also, Russia is acting a bit like Nazis from the very highest levels, except a shittier more openly corrupt version.
Oh, yea, the Ukrain military has a bit of a nazi problem but the time to deal with that is not when you are being invaded. Also the nazi talking point is mostly a red herring anyways since the nazi problem in Russia is magnitudes worse and isn’t limited to their military.
So it’s technically not wrong but tankies don’t really have a problem with nazies, otherwise they wouldn’t be defending Russia, they are anti USA and will side with anything that’s even close to that side with no regards to any other belief. I’m not a fan of the US either but I’m not going to blindly support anything against it either.
Oh, I got banished from a whole instance on Mastadon for saying that the Apple Safari team looks at every bug request (and they do):
Little fucking Napoleons will ruin social media, not matter what platform.
You sure it wasn’t because the admins harbor deep resentment toward both Dutch people and guys named James and you just had the bad fortune to exemplify everything they hate?
First off, …HEY! 🧐
Secondly, this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles? …And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands.
Thirdly, they seem to love to hate on Apple there. I had the comeuppance to suggest Jen Simmons and the Safari team actually read the bug submissions (and she’s recently been on numerous videos, podcasts, and in posts on Mastadon saying so) and pushed back on their emoji-malarky.
On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply. Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch (who aren’t that bad, but like many, many other countries, aren’t all good either).
this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles?
Absolutely not, I didn’t mean to imply approval, merely to make fun of bad mods by ascribing bigotry to them 😉
And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands
True, but anyone unreasonable enough to be bigoted towards the Dutch probably don’t care about such distinctions 🤷
they seem to love to hate on Apple there
That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷
On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply.
Yeah, I’ve noticed lol
Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch
For the record, I’m a big fan of the Dutch in general 😄
Belgians I can take or leave, though…except on second thought they make some truly wonderful beer so they can stay 😁😉
If I only hate the Dutch that means all people I hate must be Dutch. Simple as.
All cool on many things, except one:
they seem to love to hate on Apple there
That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷
To which, all I can say is:
Which instance? We should maintain a list of these instances to ensure we don’t lose our data due to idiots like them.
What was your original comment?
Clearly I’m a bastard.
Babe, wake up; a new .ml wrongthink euphemism dropped
All of the .ml instances are absolutely Russian psyops and you can’t change my mind
(I jest… mostly…)
I’m convinced they’re US psyops to make communists look like idiots. I don’t agree with most of communism, but I can respect people with different views. But the tankies on Lemmy are doing such a hard double dutch rudder on China and Russia they can’t be real. Nobody is that stupid, right? And then I remember how many people are going to vote for trump. Yes, the world really is this stupid all around. Idiots are taking over. The stupid people are breeding. Nationalists that feel it’s their duty to populate the homeland.
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Across several accounts
I choose to believe those tankies are doing the same, and it’s just one tankie you’re arguing with. In fact all tankies arguments on Lemmy are just at argument between you and other said tankie dude on new accounts.
Damn, that dude types FAST! Reads super fast too, although his reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired 😄
ChatGPTankie
Yes, the world really is this stupid all around.
Well, that’s the glass-is-half-empty view.
Another way to look at it is that from an evolutionary timeline standpoint, we’re a bunch of hairless ground apes quite recently spending most of our time living in caves in groups of maybe 150 at most. We’ve been, in an evolutionary blink of an eye, propelled rapidly into a horribly-different and rather-confusing environment, and still trying to get by on our cave-dwelling adaptations. And in that context, perhaps we’re doing quite well.
It has been observed that if the last 50,000 years of man’s existence were divided into lifetimes of approximately sixty-two years each, there have been about 800 such lifetimes. Of these 800, fully 650 were spent in caves. Only during the last seventy lifetimes has it been possible to communicate effectively from one lifetime to another—as writing made it possible to do. Only during the last six lifetimes did masses of men ever see a printed word. Only during the last four has it been possible to measure time with any precision. Only in the last two has anyone anywhere used an electric motor. And the overwhelming majority of all the material goods we use in daily life today have been developed within the present, the 800th, lifetime.
– Future Shock, Alvin Toffler, 1970
Yeah, its the stark advocating of minority rights/protection on one hand and the intense jerking off of dictators with the other that breaks my brain with Tankies
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I dont know anybody on .ml, lemmygrad or hexbear who supports russia, i really dont know where the lib world people got that strawman from.
Doubt. More than likely just useful idiots.
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Just block the community/instance and move on
checks lemmyverse.net
There also appears to be a world news community on lemmy.world, if that’s more people’s speed.
No, even though they don’t like the instance, they are required to post in it for whatever reason and then cry when they predictably get modded.
Makes sense!
It’s funny to me that they don’t admit what they said but want sympathy apparently.
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It’s not just pettiness. They’re pushing manipulation.
I was banned for “Rule 4” which, by digging through their rules (which weren’t as easy to find as I expected it to be) I learnt that it was “Illegal content”. I literally never posted a comment, post or had ANY kind of interaction on lemmy before. THIS would be my first comment.
I had a post made up of almost exclusively links to news sources (to back up a previous claim) removed due to being “uncivil”
Something similar happened to me with a community on hexbear. Never posted but I already had a ban. The mods must have seen a comment or something on a different community on the instance. Some of the mods there are just as think skinned as on ml.
The rules are generally on the sidebar of the community or instance (depending on if you want to know the rules of the community or instance).
You guys are getting notifications? I just notice the lack of upvotes after a while posting into the void.
Some of the mods will cite the reason for take-down, which is genuinely nice and appreciated and something I forgot even existed after too much time on Reddit.
Interesting. Reddit does prompt you to give a removal message, or did at one time.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
[emphasis mine]
Sure about that? From what I’ve seen, anything said in disagreement with the predominant opinion over there (and on hexbear, especially on hexbear) is deemed “bigotry”. They don’t appear to be interested in ingratiating anyone to the cause.
… That’s exactly what I said. Or, at least, what I tried to say.
Some of it is actual bigotry, because this is still the internet, but if they just want to shut someone up it’s also “rule 1”.
Okay, gotcha, I was looking at it from their point of view, which is that everything to them is bigotry, not realizing that that’s what you were saying in the first place. The bad, it is mine.
4.1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.Nope, it’s still rule 1 on .ml specifically. Or are you accusing me of bigotry out of the blue? That would be ironic in this context.
I’m simply quoting lemmy.ml’s rule 1 in its entirety. I wrote “4” in error.
which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of 4chan-esque double speak and “Free Speech” concern trolling that’s all the fuck over Reddit constantly without ever getting any kind of take down.
Reddit admins have automated so much of their policy that you’re posting in a minefield. You don’t know what arcane caveat you’re going to trip over that’ll get you suspended or banned. But you still find yourself hip deep in the most virulent bigoted, war-mongering, and overtly vile comment threads, because older heads know how to tip toe around the trigger words.
Yeah, both can be true. There’s no way they’re close checking every comment on the instance, looking at the rate of mod actions versus traffic.
Head over to lemmy.ml and scroll to the mod log link at the bottom if you want to see for yourself. A lot of it is just slightly different views on the same socialist stuff. Like the time I said Dengism was just thinly-veiled capitalism, and got banned.
It’s literally one of, if not the, original community, and it’s the one maintained by Lemmy’s developers. It’s probably smaller than .world, but dwarfs my instance.
If you try to post again and get a certain error you’re banned from the community, then you can check that community’s server’s mod log (if it’s public)
It just silently goes through, but nobody else can see it. I only know it happened because of the modlog. Weirdly enough they got me the first time for mild criticism of Israel, which I did not expect to be an issue on there.
Might be silent removal of posts instead of ban
Nope, it was a two-week ban in the .ml mod log, both times.
I should look at the source code a bit, see how bans are supposed to work. It could be a federation issue of some kind if I’m supposed to be notified.
Time for an alternate community
Lemmy is so fucking bad ass. You get to see exactly why they banned you. I think you can type in anyone’s username to see tbe bans.
Feel free to type in my name, I already got a ban.
Sorry I got a little to hot about Russia out producing the USA in artillery shells this far into the Ukraine war. I feel like we spent trillions on defense, there should be production lines just waiting to go for every type of ammunition.
https://lemmyverse.link/lemmy.world/post/14142948
For those on Lemmy who wish to access this post through their home instance
What is lemmy.ml and lemmygrad? I’m just a casual using Voyager
Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups that have no interest in dissenting opinion and often spill out into the rest of the fediverse posting anti-western propaganda.
Basically, it’s flat Earth theory but for geopolitics. They believe the exact opposite of what everyone else does so they can have a tight-knit community devoted to being smugly superior to the sheeple.
That’s a good way of putting it
Hexbear falls under this umbrella, right?
Absolutely. Hexbear seems like the most insular and loud one of all. Lemmy.ml can be fairly normal sometimes, actually, just because it’s the OG site and gets a lot of general traffic.
They defederated ages ago.
even BRICS are bad now?
Does this break the rules of the fediverse?
What rules?
The rules are what each instance operator makes them (outside of breaking laws). It’s up to the other instance operators to defederate from instances that they don’t want direct sharing with for whatever reasons. So if lemmygrad wants to be anti-west, make anti-western posts, comment on current events and insinuate or blame the West for whatever, post trolling comments or fake news, that’s what will happen.
Even breaking laws could fare fine if they’re unimportant enough. A child porn instance would have cops breaking down the server room door, but I’m pretty sure there’s already piracy-friendly instances, and a shoplifting one can’t be far behind.
A child porn instance would have cops breaking down the server room door
Burggit.moe does synthetic child porn, stuff like loli/shota material. That’s First Amendment-protected in the US (and is apparently legal in the Netherlands, where the server says that it lives), but is illegal in a number of countries in the EU.
piracy-friendly instances
lemmy.dbzer0.com was created specifically to do piracy stuff, and is one of the major Threadiverse instances. And db0 himself has contributed a fair bit of software to improving Threadiverse infrastructure:
A drawn loli seems like a victimless crime to me too, TBH. I find it personally gross, but I mind my own business.
Interested to see if this starts shit.
I don’t believe lemmy.ml’s are pro russian, at least not in that way.
It’s not as bad as Lemmygrad but most news threads about Russia/China/Ukraine are a total shitshow over there.
Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups
“Everyone I Don’t Like is
HitlerAn Evil Foreigner”
They’re something to add to your block list.
Thanks. I wanted to create a Lemmy account and this one seemed like the the most generic default one, huge user base, ran by the Lemmy devs, all right surely it’s the safest, most non-controversial choice.
Then I see stuff like this.
How to block? And I’m still a bit confused about instances. How do I know which I joined?
You’re on lemmy.world
You can go to https://lemmy.world/settings click the blocks tab up top, and then add instances to block in there, in the box marked “Block instance”.
I think lemmy.world has already defederated lemmygrad and hexbear, so you should just need to add lemmy.ml
Thank you!
