I wish the world was as enthusiastic about saving hundreds of women and children as it is about saving 5 fucking millionaires or billionaires.
I agree with you, its infuriating that a news story about a bunch of billionaires lost in a homebrew sub is stealing the thunder of a lot of more important, much more tragic news.
But its a less complicated story for people to latch on to, it doesnt challenge people to do something about it… thats a big reason why its overshadowing these other stories. (Also theres maybe a bit of public Schadenfreude. I mean at a time when most people cant afford food or rent, I can see how a story about disaster befalling a group of super rich folks capture peoples attention.)
But its also just a very compelling event. I dont know, people are just fascinated by disasters and deep sea exploration (myself included) and Ive never seen a story like this unfold in real time. So I think its worth following and discussing, but I agree that it shouldnt be totally dominating the news like this.
While I agree with the sentiment, doesn’t your own article state that immediately after the incident, multiple countries launched a group search and rescue mission which saved a lot of the victims?
The story about the millionaires, at least to me, is less about the fact that they’re millionaires, and more about the fact that we have tourist visits to the remains of the Titanic. At this point I don’t know who was on that tiny submersible but I’m intrigued with the tech and what could have gone wrong.
the ugly truth is that immigrants drowning isn’t news, it’s just normal business, that’s why they are trying to save the millionaires, and also why firemen send a chopper to rescue a cow stuck in ice while there are others getting chopped up a couple of miles away.
The cow analogy is spot on…
you can have interest in both. the news can’t constantly keep people’s focus on things that happen every day, people stop caring. also your own article states there was action taken.
I guess I kinda understand your frustration but if you choose to look at everything from that angle you might as well not participate in the news, it will burn you out
It’s disgusting, bit that’s the fucked up world we live in. Same reason we do corporate bailouts and tax cuts for the rich but can’t ensure that every kid has food to eat.
And pass bills removing free school lunches for needy kids
Can’t have those damn freeloader kids getting free food, that’s socialism. #pro-life :(
Actually, while it may seem fucked up at first glance… if you really think long and hard about it, you’ll realize it’s actually really fucked up.
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Then it’ll be at least a couple of days until they can even get the button mapping working reliably. These people are screwed.
I was thinking keyboard and mouse.
Too soon, bro.
(Is it?)
You’re damn right it’s too soon. My beloved dead steam controller is barely cold, and to make it worse, they’re discontinued.
If it was too soon now then it was definitely too soon yesterday when people were making fun of it i’d think.
There’s nothing to rescue except a waterlogged carbon fiber tube filled with gore.
There are reports that acoustic systems picked up banging noises at 30 minute intervals. Until I heard that, I was convinced it had imploded. Now I’m not so sure, and it’ll only be worse if they aren’t rescued. Implosion would at least have been fast.
I heard about that, but I find it very unlikely that they could make a noise loud enough on the carbon fiber hull, not exactly known for it’s acoustic properties and the resin acts as a sound damper. I’m not a material or acoustic engineer though, so who knows. Plus, the article did say that the sounds had stopped.
If it was actually them, I’d guess they were banging on the titanium end cap.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that part of the sub, lol. Whoops
No worries! We’re making a lot of assumptions here either way.
I believe the forward end cap (where the porthole is installed) is titanium, and exposed on both sides, so presumably that’s what they’d be banging on.
I feel like if there was a way to dampen sounds that well then military submarines would have adopted it long ago. No idea though.
I don’t mean it’s meant to dampen sound, just that carbon fiber that the hull is made from doesn’t conduct sound waves like metal. But someone else kindly reminded me that I forgot about the titanium cap or the sub
It sure sounds like they’re likely alive based on the reported banging. Sadly rescue before oxygen runs out seems impossible.
They were alive, which is very very sad, but if they lost power (seems likely) then without heaters they would have froze to death a couple days ago.
That’s what an article emphasized that I skimmed through. The sub had automatic pinging, and systems to automatically raise it to the surface if an untoward event happened. For communication and pinging to be lost, as well as the lack of floating submersible… It’s likely whatever happened buggered the whole setup. The banging also was supposedly heard in 30 minute intervals, but no one is saying how many of those intervals happened. The banging could be from anything. The deeps get strange, and the water distorts much of what we know. Multiple people with knowledge from other searches, like the 2014 MH flight, said banging was often heard during their searches but it was always from other sources.
Yeah the sad part is that, really, the best we can hope for is a post mortem. Rescue is almost impossible in this situation.
Why do we care? We know what happened - this thing was built like shit. How come taxpayers have to foot some bill to tow these dead rich fucks?
People are still people, man. If they have the money maybe they should pay back the rescue efforts if found alive (which won’t happen), but it kinda sucks to say “welp bye” and let half a dozen people slowly die if you could’ve helped.
On the other hand if it’s 500 poor people fuck’em
I imagine if they located it and it was as simple as bumping it slightly with a remote vehicle, there’s still some infinitesimal chance, but it seems all but certain they’re doomed.
Something this small could simply be floated to the surface. With big things there no way that can be done. Still difficult af but possible, don’t know if things like that already exist.
Only the most optimistic guesses about their air suggest there is any left in it at this point. We’re pretty much at the recovery phase.
96 hours from departure, which I’m not sure was exactly. And they’ve heard banging.
That was the spec sheet provided by the company, but without any backing info, testing, or engineering expertise. The more digging people have done on this submarine, the more of an absolute shit show it is.
96 hours for 5, an unethical, penny pinching, corner cutting CEO could find a way to stretch that air for almost 500 hours.
Wouldn’t that be risking nitrogen narcosis? I mean, certain death or chance at death. It’s all about the oxygen rn.
If the sub is still at 1atm internal there is no issue…if the sub is at 380atm down at the Titanic then…again nitrogen narcosis is not the issue as that 4000 tonnes per square meter of force makes it irrelevant.
I dont think so because the crew compartment is/was pressurized. The real problem is that without power they likely froze to death a long time ago
That’s a good point, and I know shit about subs. I had heard there was banging, but idk how long ago that was.
Hmm I don’t know if works like that when you’re on a submersible. You’re in a 1 atmosphere pressure.
Yes seems no practical craft is actually able to reach them to recover their sub from that depth. There was no wire to pull them back up. The sub can’t be opened from the inside, even if it had surfaced somewhere. There’ll need to be a serious rethink about the safety design.
There’ll need to be a serious rethink about the safety design.
The owner is on record saying he thinks safety regulations are bogus an he’s actively looked to cutting corners because you can’t live in safety our whole life.
This whole thing was a stupid mess. I can’t even really muster any sympathy for this situation because everyone made boneheaded decisions every step of the process. Including controlling thrust and control surfaces with a wireless PC controller because you’re too much of a spedthrift to spend 10k on some deep sea cable glands and build an actual fly by wire system for your 1.25 million dollar trips to the bottom of the oceans.
Wait whaaaaaaat? They seriously used wireless PC controller for thrust and control surfaces?
Oh my god. If that’s true that might be the most brain dead thing I’ve ever read today. Can you please give me a source, I have to know more about this now. :0
Edit: holy shit. I’m watching SomeOrdinaryGamers’ video.
I can’t speak to the sub, but many Navy ships were retrofitted with systems to be controlled by XBox 360 controllers. Turns out training new people on the controller had huge improvements over the old systems.
EOD also has robots controlled by a “game controller”. So do many drones.
This isn’t a “crazy” thing to do. (except if it’s wireless. Keep that cable)
You’re right if it would have been an xbox controller, it wouldn’t have been crazy.
It was actually a basically ancient Logitech Controller, which had connection problems even when you use it inside your home in front of your pc.
I guess they can be pretty safe from radio interference there, at least :).
I doubt the connectivity issues need to exist, though, probably works just fine in some configurations. What I’m wondering though if they had a spare, and maybe a second spare, and space batteries, on the boat. Or possibly manual override (doesn’t sound like it).
I think the device itself is fine, though it might be indicative of too aggressive cost cutting measures.
An article on APNews said there were multiple backups onboard… Which sort of engenders the thought of why they needed multiple backups. I’d be sure to have A backup, sure, but multiple?
My thought is are they from different lots and are the batteries from different manufacturers and different lots? You don’t want to have 5 devices and them all from the same batch and all fail in the same way. A company not concerned by safety probably wouldn’t consider any of this. I also bet their SOP didn’t include changing batteries every time, so you have to rule out that these spares probably weren’t getting charged up or have their batteries replaced either.
Yeah I absolutely understand that. But that wireless part id what gets me man. Why add so many points of failure? I’m just so mind blown that they were okay with using such off the shelf components.
I’ve watched the Deep sea challenge documentary maybe 6-7 years ago… and IIRC everything on that sub had to be rigorously tested and custom made. They made sure that the sub was prepared for the worst. They reduced the no of failure points as much as they could. “Always assume anything or everything that can go wrong, will go wrong” was kind of their philosophy.
So I always assumed that, every other sub and expedition will be treated the same. It’s like sending astronauts to the moon.
Which safety design?
Imagine if aero transport industry was allowed to cut corners like this and still offer services to passengers.
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And this particular sub is made of carbon fiber and titanium, so non-magnetic.
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Your idea is good, not silly. Aspects of it would work, if the dude designing the ludicrous sub had used steel like everyone else does. Magnets are very useful things, useful in a lot of ways.
The guy designed a bad sub, and fired the staff who told him it was a bad sub.
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I mean they were near the titanic. You know a metal boat.
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Praise be 🙏
… high five?? ok
It’s the pray emoji bro
When asked whether his submersible could be used to rescue those on the Titan before they run out of breathable air, Newell looked up from his crowbar and said only “These things, they take time.”
You do not need a manned sub though most likely. Plenty of ROVs can go that deep and latch onto it. This is how they recover other things that end up on the ocean floor including other ROVs that got stuck researching the titanic.
@king_dead This reads as a South Park episode.
IDK what’s real or not anymore!!!He’s going to make a big announcement…but given his history, it may actually have to do with some artifacts he wants to find down there :)
Will this cost us Half-Life 3?
This is HL3. It’s so innovative nobody realizes yet.
It’s an ARG
TwitchSavesBillionaires
We’ve all been plugged into the Steam this entire time without realising
Already did. Gabe own a Submarine. There’s no money left to make a game for.
lmao we werent getting it either way
Gaben to the rescue?
No… Take note of the title, “that could reach”. Not “that could save”. There’s no rescue. The only thing people could get is proper closure from this.
Maybe they’ll become mermaids
Fair enough.
Is there a coca cola plant nearby?
So, what you’re saying is that a Steam Controller is a better choice of diving equipment than the Logitech PlayStation knock off?
Well, we might find out. Before we know they might lying motionless next to each other on the sea floor.
Someone please photoshop the CD on the floor into the Titan sub
Lmao jfc what’s wrong with you lol
