• 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works
          113·
          2 years ago

          They were just making up excises to defederate if you ask me… cuz no one seems to mind most of the users either on this instance or another, but beehaw does 😒.

          • Kichae@kbin.social
            171·
            2 years ago

            They don’t need an excuse, though. That’s the benefit of being an independent website. They can just decide for themselves, at any point, and for any reason.

            But they gave a reason. So, maybe you should consider that they’re seeing something different from you.

            • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works
              73·
              2 years ago

              That beats the whole point of having a fediverse, what good is it if everyone just defederates from everyone else. Basically, we’re back to the forum thing once again.

              I call BS. I think it was planned all along. Wait till a bunch of users migrate from reddit to beehaw, defederate and run our instance our way, i.e. we run a forum that has ActivityPub, that’s it.

              • Kichae@kbin.social
                91·
                2 years ago

                Federation is, always has been, and always will be an option. And an option that works ok when there’s a small number of people on other sites doesn’t always work well for people when there’s a large number.

                Plus, it’s not like they defederated from everyone. They just had issues with moderation on your instance and a few others. Plenty of people off-site still have access to beehaw communities, because we haven’t been acting like little stains.

                You’re going to be in for a world of psychic pain once there are 2 thousand smaller lemmy instances and they don’t all universally federate.

                And they won’t. Because they don’t have to. And you can’t make them.

                • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works
                  44·
                  2 years ago

                  Oh, come on, no one else has a problem with users on sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world, but beehaw does… just look at the moderation logs, there is nothing scary there, like a bunch of users from those 2 instances getting banned in bulk or something like that.

                  I still call BS regarding the reason. The wanna defederate, fine (even though it’s not IMO, but for the sake of argument, let’s say I’m OK with defederation in general). But don’t think for 1 second that we’re gonna believe that excuse you served us. It’s obvious it’s a lie. And that’s fine too, but… really? The same things that happened on reddit happening here as well, I mean… that was not the reason we moved.

              • interdimensionalmeme
                1·
                2 years ago

                Concentration of power in a single instance will only and always end in tears. If you use someone else’s computer for you community, then you are subservient to their whim and rule. Fediverse endgame obviously it’s single user instances. Familial and group of friends instances at the most.

          • mr_washee_washee@kbin.social
            111·
            2 years ago

            i am in the instance that got defederated by them. tbh there arent much trolls really and if there are i just flag and block them. just numbered trolls, like in any other places. beehaw think they r the Apple of instances, worrying about their user’s ‘safety’ and all 🥱

    • electroskunk@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 years ago

      Someone tell them they don’t need federated systems for that, they could have done the same on a phpBB forum from 2004.

    • Adub@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 years ago

      Hey, my Hooker from another instance! Don’t hate the fediverse hate the Spez.

  • NutWrench
    201·
    2 years ago

    There are a lot of new Instances are less than a week old. I think Moderators need to tend to their own forums and not have to deal with crossposts from other instances until the moderating tools are more mature. If they need to defederate temporarily, I’ve got no problem with it.

    Now, if Beehaw wants to create a “walled garden” just because their mods are power-hungry jerks, remember that there are nearly 900 Instances on lemmy (according to lemmy explorer). If mods ruin a community for fans, the fans can simply unsubscribe, move to the second (or third) most popular Instance and re-subscribe / re-create the forum there and the mods of the first Instance can’t do anything about it (because they voluntarily defederated). The distributed nature of lemmy means that the fans decide what forums are popular. It will be easy to see by sheer number of subscribers, which lemmy/Memes is the “real” one and which one is being run by the jerks.

    This also means that corporations can’t screw up an entire social network (like what’s happening to Reddit right now). Reddit is basically a social network platform with tens of thousands of communities and ONE Instance. This makes it easy for a money-grubbing corporation to ruin things for everybody. However, if a company tries to ruin the most popular Instance on lemmy, everyone will just migrate to the second (or third) most popular Instance and the first one will wither and die.

    • Kichae@kbin.social
      5·
      2 years ago

      I’m increasingly a used by the number of people that think beehaw defederated from more than, like, 3 lemmmy instances.

      They didn’t create a walled garden. They just told a couple of sites they, in particular, were causing problems.

        • SkyNTP
          8·
          2 years ago

          I just looked at the list. The domain names alone paint a picture of far right/red pill/sketchy pedo sites… Nothing too surprising. Hey, if you’re into that stuff, you do you, but that block list is far, far, far from controversial

        • Kichae@kbin.social
          61·
          2 years ago

          And almost all of those are not Lemmy instances. That’s a Mastodon block list, and is overwhelmingly made up of Pleroma and Mastodon sites well known for shitty brhaviour.

          Or did you not actually investigate the links?

    • interdimensionalmeme
      3·
      2 years ago

      Communities are not things that can be infinitely fractured and divided without adverse consequences. Humans aren’t fungibility automatons and mere statistics.

      The only reasonable design decision is to actively prevent the formation of “a biggest instance”. Concentration of power will always kill communities. I was in slashdot then Digg then Reddit, concentration of power always lead to abuse of power and leveraging that power against the users.

  • JSens1998
    18·
    2 years ago

    Now I know why I left Reddit. Already a better experiance. But uh… where are the hookers at though? Are we waiting for them to leave reddit too?

  • mykl
    121·
    2 years ago

    Way to get defederated, people 😩

  • peeonyou
    31·
    2 years ago

    it’s actually really unfortunate that lemmy.ml is where all the shitlibs bailed to… the whole instance smells of ass now

  • Nerd02@forum.basedcount.com
    21·
    2 years ago

    Friendly reminder that if you aren’t hosting your own instance you don’t have “your own Reddit”

    …nor blackjack, nor hookers, for that matter…