I believe the correct answer is not living in a society where either of these signs is necessary.
Well just get you a time machine and forget all about modern manufacturing capability.
Or an airplane ticket to several dozen other countries around the world … checks notes … several hundred other countries around the world where gun violence in schools is not a big problem.
Ok do that. There’s nothing good here.
Yeah, everyone knows America is the only country with anything of value. People are happiest, make the most money, and have the most freedom in America! Anything that’s says otherwise is obviously just anti-American propoganda! Literally every other country has no value at all, and anyone who says they like it there is just mistaken because they have to be wrong or all the American truths we all know were lies, and that can’t be true!
There’s nothing good here.
I’m not convinced this was meant to be sarcastic
Oh, oops. I totally read “There’s nothing good there.” My bad.
I wish. 🤣
Considering we’ve had more than one school shooting where the heavily trained and armed resource officers stood down while children were being slaughtered, I don’t think the sign on the right would make me feel any safer.
Not to mention it’s just a matter of time before a teacher snaps or a kid steals their gun and shoots someone. Armed teachers can only ever do more harm than good.
The resource officer at my middle school molested a girl. I don’t even think they should have guns
From an outside world perspective I just need to point out how totally ridiculous the pairing of the job title “Resource Officer” is with “gun”.
What percentage of school shooters are not expecting to die already, even without the stupid sign?
Most are but the idea is to get a large body count so they get as much media attention as possible. There are countless studies showing how the media has helped heavily drive these mass attacks.
I’d imagine these gross chuds would relish the thought of a dramatic shootout as a part of their killing spree.
I mean, they’re expecting cops to arrive in with itchy trigger fingers anyway.
Most kill themselves the second that force shows up, they want soft targets and a body count…plus a wikipedia page. Suicide by cop or their own hand is what they want
It’s not a media problem. It’s a gun problem that seems to be very specific to one country.
There’s also that lack of a social safety net, healthcare,etc…
It can be all of these
Guns are out of the box, you’re not solving shootings via confiscation anymore. And these mass shootings started to occur right around the time these 24/7 news media companies sprang up.
Safety nets and fixing our society will do *100 more than trying to get rid of 450+ million firearms.
Strange that all countries aren’t just going off the rails with gun violence in schools huh? What’s unique about the US??
Considering all the countries you want to compare the US with have social safety nets and actually try and support their citizens…they usually also have less violence over all, but let’s ignore that.
How far do you think they’ll get in each scenario?
I doubt it’ll make much difference, as they’ll just shoot the teachers first before they can react. It’s not like the teachers are trained for tactical assault, and they won’t risk their lives for a 30k salary.
Did you not read the picture at all? Jesus Christ dude. Just assume the whacko gets initiative will ya?
All potential shooters need for the sign to fail to dissuade is up make that assumption themselves.
Yeah and then they get shot.
Why wouldn’t he? Are all the teachers going to use their magical Spidey-senses to know that someone snuck into the school with a concealed gun? Ooo, I know! All their guns come with “bad guy” radar that makes a cute little ping sound whenever a bad guy comes in the building while they are distracted with all that teaching they have to do.
Yeah boy, show me how sneaky your gunshots are. Maybe you’re one of those deaf people who don’t understand that there’s sound? It’s a really loud sound.
So you can sneak up to the first shot? You literally just answered your own question from earlier about the shooter having “initiative”.
Ok, now how many more shots do I get before a teacher comes to save everyone vs waiting for cops?
Yes, give the overworked and underpaid people guns. There is no way a potential gunmen could now also get his gun on premise.
I’m also amazed if they actually believe any sign would stop that. These people mostly plan on killing themselves anyways.
Seriously, does everyone forget what it’s like to be 12 when the teacher leaves the room?
The teachers desk gets raided. And we were happy enough to just find the stapler.
Leave it just one single chance for one single teacher to leave their gun in their desk or unattended.
Based on the safes that Lockpickinglawyer has reviewed, it could be locked away and still take no time at all for a kid to fumble the lock open
Not wrong. A handful of my classmates (me included) taught ourselves to lockpick. Not out of any malice, but just due to wanting to learn a skill. Lockpicking is not hard, as long as a person is willing to learn. And that’s completely ignoring the fact that basically everyone knows how to shiv a lock open with a card
You just gonna sit there and act like they gotta be underpaid so your allegory fits? Fuckin pay them more.
How far do you think a shooter is gonna make it through a school with opposition vs no opposition?
You missed like all points.
They are currently underpaid, that’s merely a fact, and I agree that they should be paid more.
Of course a shooter wouldn’t make it as far with more opposition. The question is how many more shootings are going to happen if they can get guns right at their shool?
Well that’s a tactical issue. You don’t think there’s any way teachers can secure their guns but be able to readily access them when necessary? That’s kind of the whole point of the security field.
I’ll grant you that locks are generally shit. Anything with a key hole is very easily picked.
You can get guns anywhere. It’s not like we’re stopping that to begin with.
The question here is not the tactics that you can draw on whiteboard. Remember how well tactics worked in Uvalde.
Teachers put guns down or lose them. Or kids get in fights with teachers. What then? Or the shooter targets the teacher first and pockets the extra weapon.
Your final point is misleading. Most schools don’t contain guns most of the time, unless it’s the school pig carrying. If 10 teachers start carrying, you’ve just added 10x more weapons.
Secure them obviously. If your teacher is dumb enough to leave a gun out, should they even be teaching?
They are teachers not armourers and even armourers make mistakes.
That’s an extremely unacceptable mistake. We can’t have senile people teaching and protecting our kids. Would you want Trump or Biden as a history teacher?
Yes pay them more, but not so they can be armed. Do it because it’s a vital societal function to do a good job to educate our young.
Why not both?
Because guns have only one purpose: to kill. This means they have no place in schools.
If you can’t kill the killer, more will be killed. Don’t over simplify.
First off, your logic is actually braindead. An eye for an eye my friend.
Here’s something for you to consider: ban gun ownership outright, and there will be no more school shootings.
Eye for an eye allegory is about revenge. You think someone is gonna avenge the school shooter? Get fucked. Kill the thing actively putting bullets in kids. It’s simple.
Ban gun ownership and suddenly only the leeches have guns. Go figure.
The second sign just lets the active shooter know to shoot the teacher first.
This kind of warning only works on people who intend to stay alive, but most mass shooters take their own lives or “suicide by cop” rather than be apprehended. This just shifts it to “suicide by teacher” when one eventually arrives after the shooting has already started.
Unsurprisingly, not much of a deterrent.
Thirty police stay outside an active shooting but somehow they believe 85yr old mrs.sumer gunna break out an ar and light up some fuckin random.
Teachers also got into the career of teaching children not murdering them even if that child is shooting people.
The lack of general mental health coverage in America would mean a certain number of teachers having major mental health issues after killing a violent student, even worse if they accidentally kill an innocent bystander.
Also that second sign lets any bad actor know that they don’t need to bring anything. This place will supply the firearms in bullets they need.
Yeah, the lack of impulse control for some teachers, would make this scenario scary as fuck. I don’t live in the US, but would count the days, until a teacher unnecessarily shoots a student (by accident, because of a dispute, or some other stupid reason).
What probably happens is a teacher would misplace or improperly secure their firearm in the school, a student would get a hold of it and then start shooting. Every gun in a school is a huge risk to prevent a (relatively) infrequent problem.
Plus, let’s say it goes as planned. An armed gunman enters the school and starts shooting people. Some of the teachers grab their pistols and start looking for the shooter, some of the teachers barricade themselves and their students in their classrooms and guard the door with their gun. The teachers roaming the hallways have only a basic description and location of the shooter, every student and staff member they encounter is a split second decision about life and death, the chances they don’t shoot innocent people and actually shoot the perp before they get shot is extremely low. Now the cops show up. Not only do they have an active shooter, they now have multiple armed individuals roaming the halls that they have to apprehend, but only one of them is actually the shooter. What are the chances all those teachers surrender and disarm quickly, quietly and without injury? You also have multiple barricaded rooms with armed defenders to clear, oh, and there is still a shooter on the loose.
It’s fucking stupid. No one with a working brain who has actually been in a public school would think that arming the staff is the correct response.
So parents and teachers have to spend their own money to make sure kids have tissues and crayons in the classroom, but the school has enough money to send the entire staff to recurring firearms training?
It is like putting a sign that says “No water allowed” on the bottom of the ocean.
Unless you remove the ocean, things will get wet.
I’d like to remind people that even in a maximum security prison, your safety is not guaranteed. You can give all your rights away, and still get raped in the shower.
Welcome to the shitter multiverse.
The actual maximum security prisons in America, like the one in Florence, Colorado, consist of solitary confinement. I don’t think that people get raped in the shower at those. Those prisoners are kept isolated form each other and locked in a padded room for 23 hours a day.
I definitely agree with your sentiment for any prison that is lower security than Florence, though.
And the fucked up thing is that the “shower rape” prison is more humane than the “Control Unit” at ADX Florence.
Every single child should be within 10 feet of all times of a murder device activated by a simple trigger. The best solution to solving murder is adding more killing machines, because mistakes never happen around kids, and they’re all mature enough to fully recognize the consequences of pulling the trigger at someone.
Plus every one of my public school teachers definitely were fully mentally present, responsible, and never lost their temper.
Kids can be little shits. My seventh grade science teacher Mrs. Steele threw a chair during a tantrum after some kids pushed her too far. She was not let go. Soon after they put her in charge of the musical.
I don’t believe she’d ever shoot a student. I do believe she’d think it was funny to remind the students she and other teachers carry guns when the students got out of hand. I do believe she was irresponsible enough to even pull it out to be funny. I do believe that’s the type of classroom where an accident could happen.
Signs are not the solution
Don’t shoot children…
Or do. I’m a sign, not a cop.
What sign will they come up with after an armed teacher snaps and shoots students?
Teachers: Please Do Not Discharge Firearms Towards Students Without Prior Approval
Or an unarmed student arms themselves with a teachers weapon.
Neither
If I were a school shooter, the sign on the right says to me, take out the staff first before they realize what’s going on.
Teachers and adults are just as unstable as kids. They are just scared themselves.
