- cross-posted to:
- helldivers2@lemmy.ca
- cross-posted to:
- helldivers2@lemmy.ca
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Managed Democracy
It’s bizarre to see people role-playing enthusiastic fascism with the world the way it is right now.
It’s possible to be an anarchist while roleplaying a hardcore fascist in a tabletop RPG. It’s fantasy. Fascism’s best kept as a non-tenable, mockable idea for fiction.
Rping in a game is one thing. Bringing it into the world with memes and more is just…icky.
I don’t understand how the game mocking it and a meme mocking it are different. Care to explain?
If you were to go into a bar today and shout out “Join the army! All bugs must die!” or something, do you think everyone would know exactly what you were talking about? Or would they maybe think you were promoting some fascist, hateful action among the many others taking place currently? Satire is a very thin line, and without context (which most people aren’t going to have regarding this), role-playing this stuff just comes off as the exact thing that is being satirized.
If you were to go into a bar today and shout out “Join the army! All bugs must die!” or something, do you think everyone would know exactly what you were talking about? Or would they maybe think you were promoting some fascist, hateful action among the many others taking place currently?
First, this isn’t a bar. This is Lemmy, a community on the internet mostly filled with nerds. This is one of the most popular games at the moment. Also, even if they didn’t know the game, odds are they know Starship troopers, and this is just an expanded meme of that.
Second, no I don’t think anyone hearing you say to kill all the bugs will think you’re a fascist. They might think you’re crazy, but, as far as I’m aware, there aren’t giant bugs we’re at war with in real life.
I think there’s almost zero chance of this being mistaken as a sincere fascist post, and it’s pretty much harmless.
Dude - you asked me to explain and I did. Not sure what you’re really looking for here, but you’re not gonna find it with me.
The fascism in the game is ironic and on the nose in a way that’s easy to laugh at, like “what if?”
I’m aware. This isn’t the game, though. It’s not even in a sub about the game.
The headline, which very likely isn’t even real, is also not inherently fascistic. If anything its more a statement on people being so stressed with life, that a fantastical idea of going off to live a sci-fi movie life is appealing.
You’re pulling the fascism from the movie, which is inherently satirical. It makes sense something like that, which was already popular, continues to be so when the satire has more real world connections. You’re on a platform with a ton of nerds, they’re gonna reference sci-fi classics. If anything I’d say that’s a healthy sign. Satire is arguably one of the strongest forces pushing back against fascism and the like on a cultural level.
Not fascism, managed democracy. The bugs are the fascists
I thought we started it, by invading, and they were acting in self defense?
One of my favorite lines in the game is (paraphrasing):
The problem with the bugs is that they’re relentless expansionists. We’ve found them on almost every planet in their territory that we’ve colonized.
It’s also pretty clear that we’ve been farming the bugs for space oil.
It’s explicit, isn’t it? Some of the characters on the super destroyer mention it.
Doesn’t make em not fascists, and if the solution to FTL travel was just to kill a few bugs, wouldn’t you too?
You might be thinking of the movie series, not the novel. In the book humans were essentially fascist, you could alternatively label it as “democracy” managed by a military dictatorship.
The bugs were not fascist, they were meant to represent communist China. Hienlien wrote starship trooper in a couple weeks, as a response to America announcing they were scaling back their nuclear arsenal.
Also, I don’t think the book ever mentioned FTL.
I was speaking in reference to Helldivers 2, because the parent comment was talking about roleplaying and people don’t usually use that language around books or TV shows.
Fwiw, I was indeed taking about Helldivers, though I was referring to the irl “roleplay” of it in memes and in social media, even in communities completely unrelated to the game, like this one.
Same goes for those that take stuff like Fallout’s Brotherhood of Steel or Warhammer’s Imperium of Man too seriously. This stuff is better left in the context of the game. Bringing it into real life is sketchy at best.
I know this is was crossposted to the helldivers sub, tbh i duno anything about it… but the meme image is from starship troopers and its defo a fash government
Helldivers is effectively just starship troopers: the game. Same kind of satire.
Please visit your local democracy officer for re-education
Sounds like traitor talk!
I would like to know more
How ’bout a nice cup of LIBER-TEA?
Leave it to humanity to invade other planets to “fight for humanity”.
I would defect to the bugs’ side
I don’t understand these hyro-glifics. Can you just switch the number over to SEDI (Super Earth Directional Inputs)
Of course!
(Not my edit)
Maybe not your edit, but excellent work Helldiver! The up vote pails in comparison to how much I love this.
Keep slayin’ it. ✊🏽
Found the Enderkin
We have a group that meets up Friday’s under the Brooklyn bridge.
“But only 40% said they would if it was on the Automaton front”
I’d be shocked if we got 40% of the player base to the bot front, I’d say 80% has never seen the creek
Mars One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One received over 200,000 applications for a one-way ticket to Mars & raised money way too easily, before going bankrupt.
Lolz. LMAO, even.
People just don’t want to live on this planet anymore
Some people have far more money than sense. If they ever got their wish, they’d hate it on Mars, too.
If only when most of them go broke in the company store and get sent to the mines
Join the HELLDIVERS today 🇱🇷🇱🇷🦅
WE ARE EARTHICAN!
Sweet Liberty! Noooooooo
Edit: BTW, since you already posted it there, if you copy the URL for the uploaded image, you can re-use it and lemmy will detect that it’s the “same” post and show the cross-post link to the other post.
I actually started to post it there, but I was worried that maybe I’m posting too many memes in that community, so I thought I’d slow down… If nobody else does it first, I’ll crosspost it a little later today.
That community needs your support! Would you like to know more?
I was worried that maybe I’m posting too many memes in that community
Ya know, I was worried that I was doing the same thing. But fuck it, Hell Divers is too memeable to go to waste.
I’m with you, soldier!
Weyland Yutani approves this message
Do we get power armor?
Yes, but it still reeks a bit from the last soldier who used it.
… describe him please.
Red mist
I’ve done worse.
Have you seen the beginning of the movie “Fury”? How the new guy had to “clean out” his seat in the tank?
A British guy once worded it weirdly poetic:
‘he’s strawberry jam now’
Guess I’m not a “man” because fuck that.
Nothing would please our billionaire overlords more than all of us “little people” getting the hell off earth for another planet. It’s unlikely anything comparable to the paradise of this planet, even in a global warming event or an ice age, will be reachable any time soon.
And we should leave it for them? Duck that.
They can keep it. I wanna bring democracy to the cosmos and clap alien cheeks
I’m doing my part!
There it is!
Do you want to know more?
