Should I Be Normal™ in the chance it would let me nullify an unjust conviction, or simply deliver a communist diatribe during the selection process

  • FishLake@lemmygrad.ml
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    Word of warning. NEVER utter the words “jury nullification” during jury selection or while in a jury. If you must you can say things like, “Even if they did abc I don’t think they deserve xyz, because they 123.” Even if you do this though things can end very badly for you so please do further reading away from the geometric bear website.

    Anyway, it on your priorities. If it’s more beneficial to act normal and try to get selected in order to influence the jury, then sure. If not, then try to poison the jury selection process. Again, DO NOT mention jury nullification.

    Are you financially secure enough to take the time to be on a jury?

    Are you actively contributing to other important efforts (organizing, childcare, education, volunteering) that could negatively be impacted my you absence while on a jury?

    Are you confident enough that you can maintain your beliefs throughout the jury process?

    • BigHaas [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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      Mmm interesting

      Step 3: DO NOT Mention Nullification in the Jury Room

      Just don’t do it. If the judge believes that a juror is thinking about nullification, they will likely remove that juror. But if the juror simply has doubts on the facts of the case, the juror cannot be removed. The inability to discuss jury nullification openly encourages hung juries. So if you must, hang. Even if the other jurors pressure you, stay true to your principles. Vote your conscience. A “not guilty” verdict might save someone’s life. Despite Laura Kriho’s ordeal, the likelihood of going to jail for using jury nullification is remote. Regardless, these basic precautions can help you flex your constitutional rights without risking jail time. The greater risk is getting struck from the jury before you get a chance to use your jury nullification right.

      Serving would be fine as long as the trial isn’t longer than a week.

      “Oh no, the chuds talked me out of the immortal science” hahahaha

  • BigHaas [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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    I remember reading a guide from some anarchist subreddit I think about how behave during voir dire to actually get selected but now I can’t find it

  • sovietknuckles [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    or simply deliver a communist diatribe during the selection process

    Selection is like an hour, the jury’s deliberation takes days, besides the lifelong impact to the defendant. If you speak your mind during selection, everyone involved will forget you quickly

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      the jury’s deliberation takes days

      That depends on the case. Some cases will be over before lunchtime today. Now if you try to nullify chances are they will force you to deliberate until lunch tomorrow.

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      Selection is like an hour, the jury’s deliberation takes days

      I served on a Jury. the selection process took a week and deliberation was less than 2 days. every trial is different

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    Last time I went there was an ex police chief among the potential jurors. Under questioning he admitted to a bias in favor of police, saying that police “don’t lie” (lol). When they called me a said I grew up not trusting police because they lie all the time. I was dismissed by the prosecuting attorney.

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    Nullifying if fun and I would do it again. Highly recommended. and on the other side of the coin you get to put chuds in their place. (you also get to put chud jurors in their place by nullifying)

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    I am 100% on team “pretend to be a chud and then nullify the charge no matter what it is.”

  • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    If you have the financial stability to serve on the jury then go with “be normal” and stealth your way into it (and stay that way while on the jury). You can then do what you know is right via the jury. If you get on the jury, even if you don’t convince everyone else over to your side (a verdict or nullification) you can create a hung jury and delay an unjust process.

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    Bit of a tangent, although it’s possible it applies here: if you work for the government, especially a municipal government, it’s likely you won’t be selected for a jury. The government is often a party to lawsuits, and because of that they consider government employees to be non-neutral in those situations.

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    Can they actually prove you got a summons in the mail? After they wasted a day of my time sitting at a court house I juat ignored any other jury summons I got and nothing ever came of it.

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      It’s usually sent certified mail or some similar thing. If you don’t respond they will resend and eventually ‘hand deliver’. OP probably won’t be picked for some kinda arbitrary unstated reason. Or maybe it will be like:

      Q:“Would you trust a cop’s testimony more or less than an ordinary citizen’s?”

      A: “Uhhhh…”

      Q: “Dismissed.”