Eye witnesses described panic and gunfire around the hospital in Gaza City after IDF troops moved in.
    • fubo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12101·
      6 kuukautta sitten

      A war crime occurred when Hamas put a military installation in a civilian hospital.

      Once that happened, attacking the hospital to get at the military base is not itself a war crime.

      You might wish it was, but that’s not what the law says.

      • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
        381·
        6 kuukautta sitten

        That’s assuming that that’s actually happening. The article only gives the IDF’s word, no evidence.

        • KISSmyOS@feddit.deEnglish
          229·
          6 kuukautta sitten

          You demand evidence to prove that Israel didn’t commit a war crime?
          Proving guilt works the other way around.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            161·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            I love this comment. Someone asking for proof that your claim is true, and instead you say they need to provide proof of what not having proof would prove. What? Israel is making the claim Hamas was there. The burden of proof is on them. If they can not prove it, then it’s a war crime.

            Regardless, Gaza is one of the most populated regions in the world. There isn’t a place without civilians, and they aren’t allowed outside of their open-air prison. They literally can not be any significant distance away from civilians. The “they’re using civilians as human shields” excuse doesn’t work when you force civilians to stand next to them when you drop exosives on both of them. Also, Israel has been literally using civilians as human shields, walking behind them as they force them to walk ahead.

          • AMDIsOurLordEnglish
            2·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            That’s how the International Criminal Justice (people who did Nuremberg btw) do things, yes, and by all counts Israel is an illegal, settler colonialist, war criminal, fascist state.

            Fucking Zio scum

        • Allah@lemmy.worldEnglish
          334·
          6 kuukautta sitten

          evidence there was no hamas? no body trusts the hamas on their lying word

          • bamboo@lemm.eeEnglish
            13·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            Hamas tolerates reporters, Israel murders them. I know which one I’m more compelled to take at face value when no better sources exist (because Israel murdered them).

      • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        253·
        6 kuukautta sitten

        Let’s go back on how Israel became Israel and their entire regime. Murder (of men, women and children) and displacing 750 000 Palestinian people. Apartheid, racism. Illegal settlements.

        Lying to the world about almost everything and not to forget how they speak about Palestinian people (calling them rats, animals and so on). Also to mention they are saying to drop an atomic bomb on Palestinian people (Gaza).

        But that’s all “okay”, right? In your eyes.

        Not to forget, Hamas was only created in 1987 because of Israel’s action from 1948 up to 1987. That’s 39-40 years later.

        EDIT: some corrections like “there” to “their”

      • Canary9341English
        202·
        6 kuukautta sitten

        No, that is a hoax. International law revolves around proportionality and civilian security, explicitly protecting civilian medical facilities and their medical personnel. They are not invalidated according to the crimes of the other side.

        In fact, this would still be a war crime even if there was a nuclear silo under the hospital. You might wish it was, but that’s not what the law says.

        • mkwt@lemmy.worldEnglish
          414·
          6 kuukautta sitten

          Reference Geneva IV, Article 19.

          Civilian hospitals can lose their protection if the sites are used for “acts harmful to the enemy.”

          • Canary9341English
            3·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            “Losing protection” refers to the total overprotection granted by the above article, do not pretend that this grants carte blanche. The rest of international humanitarian law and other laws still apply, including the rest of the geneva convention.

            That same article establishes clear limits of proportionality which they did not comply with, and even if they had complied they have violated so many others (have you read the news?). This attack is flagrantly illegal, and is one of the most moderate they have had against hospitals.

      • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
        102·
        6 kuukautta sitten

        It’s also a war crime that every Palestinian has a Hamas military installation in their body. Israel knows and is going to solve that problem. Better hope a Hamas military installation doesn’t happen to you or Israel will be coming for you. /s

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        203·
        6 kuukautta sitten

        Israel calls Khamaaas Nazi’s on live TV but calling the people doing literal Genocide to create an ethnostate “Nazi’s” is too far?

        If anything this has been the most apt period of time in the last 75 years to invoke Godwins law.

        • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          112·
          6 kuukautta sitten

          Be semi-happy, at least its shows what kind of people the mods are. They approve Israeli’s hateful Shit but don’t approve the opposite.

          Says much more about the mods themselves than about the other people.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            It’s a reflection of our society. Israel’s government saying ISIS tier fundie shit about killing Palestinians (and actually doing it) is somehow considered normal because MSM said so. Any dissident or that calls out their war-crimes is “offensive and controversial”.

            We have to combat Genocide with a silver tongue. It’s insanity.

          • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            43·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            Anyone who has read my comments knows I don’t approve of anything Israel has been doing, at least in my lifetime, and I’ve often compared their treatment of the Palestinians to the ghetto-ization of Jews in 1939.

            https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/nazi-germany-and-establishment-ghettos

            But as a group we do not allow slurs, even inventive new ones.

            Feel free to criticize them, but not with slurs.

            • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
              8·
              6 kuukautta sitten

              Alright, so I’ve got to push back on this. You “compared their treatment of the Palestinians to the ghetto-ization of Jews in 1939”, which is explicitly an appeal to Nazi imagery. However, when someone uses a portmanteau to also say they do Nazi-like things that’s too far? How is it OK to say they’re like nazis when you do it, but not ok to say they’re like nazis when this other person does it? Sure, they could have elaborated, but I don’t think that’s required at the moment.

                • mods_are_assholes@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  61·
                  6 kuukautta sitten

                  Fucking shitstain power tripping mod, you know it didn’t cross any lines and just couldn’t stand to see someone post freely.

                • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
                  31·
                  6 kuukautta sitten

                  Just FYI, they referred to a nation('s government), not a people. Also, saying that they are behaving like nazis, how you did it, is also a slur. A slur is “an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo”, and it doesn’t have to just be a one word thing.

                  I assume it’d be fine to call the Nazis Nazis, right? They represented the people of Germany, just as Israel represents the people of Israel. It isn’t calling the German people anything, but it is pointing out a factual thing about the government.

                  That comment didn’t say anything about Jews or anything else. It used a portmanteau to accuse the nation of Israel of doing the same thing Nazis did, which is literally what you did. A slur is a slur. Either it’s sometimes OK, or it isn’t ever. Your comment should also be removed if it’s never acceptable, but we both know it is sometimes acceptable if it’s disparaging by enlightening facts. If the truth hurts, that’s on them. It’s not anti-semitic or whatever to critique Israel.

            • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              81·
              6 kuukautta sitten

              Since when is it an insult to call people what they are? They are doing the nearly the same thing - if not the exact same thing.

              Israel is doing:

              • Stealing land
              • Ethnic cleansing
              • Genocide
              • Calling Palestinians rats, animals and more cruel things
              • Wanting to erase the entire Palestinian race
              • Lying to the world
              • They think they are “superior” than Palestinian people
              • They think and say that Palestinian people are, they “inferior” race
              • Apartheid
              • Sent Palestinian people jail/ prison for no reason (even kids)
              • Beat Palestinian people for no reason or provoke to “get a reason”

              Does these things ring a bell? I’m sure it does because the Nazis were doing the same thing.

              There’s an image which shows the very similarities between Nazis and Israel government. Certainly, I’m not allowed to show it because you will delete it.

          • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
            51·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            No, making and enforcing rules arbitrarily which was the reason many of us left reddit.

            Although tbf I think these two communities balance each other out because the mods on lemmy.ml have their own set of stupid and arbitrary rules enforcement.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
              45·
              6 kuukautta sitten

              It’s not arbitrary. Everything is outlined in the sidebar, not that the offenders ever actually READ the sidebar. But it is there.

          • mods_are_assholes@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            6 kuukautta sitten

            Sure would be nice instead of being forced to abandon a growing space, that the admins actually took their job of curbing activist mods.

            But they never will, ever, anywhere.

            Fuck mods, fuck admins, they are all power tripping assholes.

  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldEnglish
    301·
    6 kuukautta sitten

    Is the mantra of Israel “All publicity is good publicity”? They make headlines every day with war crimes destroying their own reputation rather than Hamas.

  • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
    313·
    6 kuukautta sitten

    Increasingly there is no difference between Israel and US police officers. “I feared for my life against a 12 year old so I shot them” vs “Hamas is in the hospital so we destroyed the hospital”.

    It truly says something about someone’s lack of humanity when they attack a hospital. At least evacuate everyone first to another hospital.

    • soratoyuki@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      6 kuukautta sitten

      It’s not a coincidence. For instance there’s the GILEE program which is literally a Georgia to Israel police exchange/training program.

      • Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        164·
        6 kuukautta sitten

        If you know they’re going to try to kill you no matter how cooperative you are, why the fuck wouldn’t you be armed?

        • ghostdoggtv@lemmy.worldEnglish
          74·
          6 kuukautta sitten

          If you mention the second amendment it short circuits their little Israeli brains, they know their own miserable lives depend on a freedom denied to Palestine and that karma is real and terrifying.