• Empathy [he/him]@beehaw.org
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    I’m a bit worried about the amount of people I see making this argument whenever I see posts about a TikTok ban/acquisition.

    I’m getting the impression that, either:

    1. People don’t believe there’s (significant) Chinese propaganda on TikTok.
    2. People believe there would be (significant) US propaganda on TikTok following an acquisition.
    3. Given the choice, people would rather see Chinese propaganda than US propaganda.

    Am I correct? Is there a nuance I’m missing?

    I can understand concerns over point #2 here, but #1 and #3 seem wild to me.

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      Given the choice, people would rather see Chinese propaganda than US propaganda.

      Well since I see US propaganda literally everywhere else it’s nice to get some counter-programming.

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      Yli.think you make a reasonable point, but it feels like choosing between getting stabbed in the left leg vs the right leg.

      • Empathy [he/him]@beehaw.org
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        If it were the US vs another democratic country, I would feel like that too.

        I’m particularly concerned with China (and Russia) because:

        • They are not a democratic country.
        • They do not have freedom of speech like most countries
        • As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.

        I might have a different perspective though. I’m a fairly recent US immigrant from Canada.

        Edit: I’d like to add, my tone may come across wrong over written text, I’m just trying to understand people’s overall perspective and whether mine is different, I’m not trying to argue and I’m not upset at you nor any of the commenters I’ve seen on similar posts.

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          They are not a democratic country.

          Why would you say that? Meanwhile, Princeton University Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy. Which isn’t surprising since capitalist democracy is a sham democracy.

          They do not have freedom of speech like most countries

          I can only say that they are freer than Anglosphere propaganda claim. Meanwhile Julian Assange has been a political prisoner for 12 years and counting, despite even the major Global North corporate media pleading for his exoneration.

          As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.

          I’m not sure which countries you’re referring to, but maybe you mean the other imperial core countries. As neocolonizers, they are no more well-intentioned than the US is, from the perspective of the periphery countries they plunder.

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          You’re getting hit by a some bad faith willful misunderstander comments

          It’s true that Russia or China aren’t well-intentioned nor democracies AND the USA belongs to that same group.

          • Empathy [he/him]@beehaw.org
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            I was wondering whether what felt like common sense to me was the same as what felt like common sense for others, and I see that between us it’s not.

            I’m not gonna bother trying to argue with you, I doubt it would be productive in any way, I’m not gonna change your mind. Additionally, you’ve put a lot of words into my mouth and inferred that I believe a lot of things that I really don’t believe, which is a bit upsetting.