You don’t know what electoralism is. UP does quite a lot of groundwork and agitation as well, just because they had a candidate up in the elections (which they didnt expect to win) doesnt mean tyey are electoralist.
Don’t try to lecture on my own country, fuck off with that arrogant American shit.
Pcb is undergoing a major crisis. It will probably break at some point in the nearish future. It was an important party in the past, but for reasons i dont know they became an academic party and non-revolutionary to put it lighly. At some point one of their leaders (Mauro Iasi iirc) even suggested taking “leninist” out of their program
Your analysis is based on a glance at a site lmao.
UP is the electoral arm of another larger, radical organization. The point of it is to act as a tool for taking radical rhetoric into the elections and recruiting for the other, more openly ML and revolution-focused groups. It is not a whole thing in itself, just a tool of another larger movement.
It is still a relatively new organization, though. They are ever more consistently showing up amongst organizers of events and lower level institutions, like universities.
I don’t get your point about electoralism. As far as I know, they are a revolutionary party. Disputing elections doesn’t mean they believe in the system. If anything it can serve as propaganda.
And who said that’s all they do? You’re the one claiming that, show proof that is the only thing they do. I don’t know much about UP, but they were actively protesting against the privatization of water in São Paulo and had members being beaten by the police and jailed.
I don’t know, I’m not from UP. When I search on google I get pages from the end of 2023. I get the skepticism, but you are making bold claims about them.
This is incredibly american brained. OP is saying they are organizing in real life and saying examples, and your retort is that their website sucks. Come on
being “the better party” you are using to bludgeon the party Freudian mentioned
I didn’t do that and never intended to do. The only one that came here boasting about a party being the “only good one”, truly antiemperialist etc., was that person you mentioned. I just called them out on their bullshit.
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Pcb is undergoing a major crisis. It will probably break at some point in the nearish future. It was an important party in the past, but for reasons i dont know they became an academic party and non-revolutionary to put it lighly. At some point one of their leaders (Mauro Iasi iirc) even suggested taking “leninist” out of their program
Up i really dont know much about
Your analysis is based on a glance at a site lmao.
UP is the electoral arm of another larger, radical organization. The point of it is to act as a tool for taking radical rhetoric into the elections and recruiting for the other, more openly ML and revolution-focused groups. It is not a whole thing in itself, just a tool of another larger movement.
It is still a relatively new organization, though. They are ever more consistently showing up amongst organizers of events and lower level institutions, like universities.
Yeah, don’t know what happened to UP’s website, it looks like there are mentions of Palestine in it, but because it’s down I can’t see what it was. Here’s a news article about them being pro-Palestine and against Israeli occupation.
There’s also this tweet from a thread they did.
I don’t get your point about electoralism. As far as I know, they are a revolutionary party. Disputing elections doesn’t mean they believe in the system. If anything it can serve as propaganda.
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Recently they called the police to censor PCO’s women who tried to talk about palestinian women in the 8th of march. Very leftist!
And who said that’s all they do? You’re the one claiming that, show proof that is the only thing they do. I don’t know much about UP, but they were actively protesting against the privatization of water in São Paulo and had members being beaten by the police and jailed.
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I don’t know, I’m not from UP. When I search on google I get pages from the end of 2023. I get the skepticism, but you are making bold claims about them.
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This is incredibly american brained. OP is saying they are organizing in real life and saying examples, and your retort is that their website sucks. Come on
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I didn’t do that and never intended to do. The only one that came here boasting about a party being the “only good one”, truly antiemperialist etc., was that person you mentioned. I just called them out on their bullshit.
Now, for that protest I mentioned, here are two news pieces I found: https://averdade.org.br/2023/12/pm-fascista-prende-presidente-da-up-em-sp-por-lutar-contra-privatizacao-da-agua/ and https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2023/12/13/o-que-senti-foi-medo-militantes-presos-em-manifestacao-na-alesp-contra-venda-da-sabesp-falam-apos-soltura.
There’s also this video talking about it, but it’s quite lengthy. It’s all in portuguese.
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I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: