Tel Aviv has stepped up indiscriminate attacks against displaced Palestinians in northern Gaza due to the army's failure to 'dismantle' Hamas

Tel Aviv has stepped up indiscriminate attacks against displaced Palestinians in northern Gaza due to the army’s failure to ‘dismantle’ Hamas

  • Arelin@lemmy.zip
    10910·
    9 months ago

    “Israel” really wants to dethrone nazi Germany as the most openly genocidal fascist state huh.

    No wonder zionists and nazis have a history of cooperating. Might as well be the same thing.

        • queermunist she/her
          195·
          9 months ago

          That genocide isn’t the only genocide the US has been part of, either as a direct genocidier or indirectly by supporting the genocidal regime.

          No one is gonna take this crown from the US!

      • AlsephinaEnglish
        343·
        9 months ago

        They try to not be open about it though, at least to its own population, unlike “israel”.

        It’s basically a US colony in Palestine though so ig it’s a moot point.

        • queermunist she/her
          263·
          9 months ago

          No, not really. There’s a lot of whitewashing of US history, especially in textbooks. If you ask the average American they wouldn’t even call anything the US did “genocide.”

          I recommend reading Lies My Teacher Told Me.

          • AlsephinaEnglish
            231·
            9 months ago

            There’s a lot of whitewashing of US history, especially in textbooks. If you ask the average American they wouldn’t even call anything the US did “genocide.”

            That’s what I mean. The US is built on genocide and colonization just like “israel”, but they try to not be open about it.

            • queermunist she/her
              191·
              9 months ago

              Oh no that’s new. Back when the genocide was in a more active phase and there were “Indian Wars” they were very explicit about it.

              But today, you’re right, they just teach a few key atrocities and handwave the other hundred million. I must have misread lol

              I think that’s just the different stages of settler-colonial development.

            • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
              21·
              9 months ago

              Go back far enough and everyone is where they are because their ancestors killed whomever was there first. Not that it justifies anything, but it’s genocides all the way down. Even native Americans wiped out a prior civilization if you go back far enough.

            • queermunist she/her
              194·
              9 months ago

              Do you… Think that list is authoritative?

              The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 10 million.

              135 million.

              Not all of that was the US, the old empires of France and Spain and England played a huge role, but since it’s founding the US has killed millions along with Canada and Mexico. Disease played a large role, but much of that was deliberately spread which muddies the estimates.

              And that’s just one of the genocides the US was involved in. There have been many others.

              • teejay@lemmy.worldEnglish
                67·
                9 months ago

                Do you… Think that list is authoritative?

                Do you… want to provide more authoritative sources? Or even just start with one? So far you’ve cited zero.

                Remember, your original assertion was “the US is still the king of genocide.” Assuming your vague phrase of “king of genocide” means total number of people killed, then show an authoritative source that proves it, then we can talk.

                • queermunist she/her
                  41·
                  9 months ago

                  My attention was originally brought to this by the book Lies My Teacher Told Me - I listened to an audiobook so sadly I can’t really search it for the relevant passage without investing a bunch of time. Instead, here’s the relevant Wikipedia article which covers it. “The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 7-15 million between the late 15th and late 17th centuries, representing a decline of around 90-95%.”

              • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee
                28·
                9 months ago

                Where is your list, or sources? Or should we just believe queermunist who I’m guessing is more sympathetic to communist nations?

                  • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee
                    21·
                    9 months ago

                    No context? Your source that you posted even had Spain as killing millions of native Americans. For the USA itself - the trail of tears was 4,000-10,000. Most deaths were through disease.

                    So how again is the USA the most genocidal country on this planet? More than the holocaust? More than the Armenian genocide? The Killing Fields (Khmer rouge), Rwanda where 800,000 were killed in 100 days?

                    You are talking out of your ass, queermunist.

            • AlsephinaEnglish
              71·
              9 months ago

              Leave that hurr durr US is big bad amirite shit on reddit.

              I think you misspelled China. Reddit being completely filled with imperial core propaganda is one of the main reasons a lot of us came to Lemmy.