By claiming that absolutes are bad inherently, they are stating that taking an absolute stance against racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Is also bad. The KKK is a great example, they were defended by White Moderates during the Civil Rights Movement.
You don’t feel like its not a reasonable example if we are talking modern day American politics in the same conversation with unions and minimum wage?
I do agree there are some absolutes that cannot be tolerated. But, it gets difficult to articulate that because some people have such strong opinions about a particular topic, they consider it an absolute. Like murdering a child should never be tolerated would be an example of an absolute I think all of mumanity would support, but it was done during China’s one child policy. So some didn’t subscribe to that.
I find political discussions with certain people hard because they believe their thing should be absolute, rather than up for negotiation, hopefully so both group kinda win instead of everyone loses.
Murdering children wasn’t a part of the One Child Policy, but an unintended outcome from it. It was obviously a terrible policy because of its results, but it wasn’t done to murder children. That’s not a great example.
Second though, I don’t know that I consider KKK supporters moderate. Maybe historically unfortunately, but not now. I’ve never met someone I thought was a middle ground or more center person who supports racism. Especially hard/blatant racism. I’d take ignorance, they might not understand cultural differences.
I disagree. Not a single person I consider center is even close to a racist.
I work with a bunch of conservative or American Republican voters. None support or are racist.
None of the barely Democrat voters I know are racist. Since there’s assertion that even American Democrats are right, same applies.
Are there groups of shitty people who are, sure. I don’t think they represent the whole of the country. I don’t know why middle ground is interpreted as racism ok. That’s not middle.
I work with a bunch of conservative or American Republican voters. None support or are racist.
Anyone who votes Republican supports their racist policies. Ergo, such a voter might be “one of the good ones” (yeah, I know what I said), but they are OK supporting and increasing the power of a party that is decidedly racist. (and sexist, and homophobic, and transphobic, and, and, and…)
Democrats aren’t perfect by any means, but anyone finding them hard to distinguish from Republicans in those areas should probably feel a bit called out by OP.
Have you considered that you may not realize they are racist because you’re at work, and/or are white as well? I’ve known many conservatives that I didn’t think were racist until I found out later.
You truly don’t know any conservative that posted #AllLivesMatter?
Maybe everyone has different opinions on what racism is?
The dictionaries definition of racism centers around a belief or ideology that one’s race is somehow superior or better than another.
I have high confidence that the particular people I’m asserting would consider themselves middle of the road politically do not in any way believe that their race is somehow superior or better than another. They don’t believe they’re better than African, Latin, Asian, etc, as do I.
I work with a couple of trumpers. Father forgive them for they know not what they do. 😉
From what I can tell, it seems you’re mostly conveying a guilty by association assertion? I think you’re saying if someone votes American republican, because some American publicans are shitty or have racist tendencies, than anyone that votes for them is equally guilty of such.
Wouldn’t this ideology equally apply to biden? Because biden’s administration has supported the war that people claim genocide, does anyone who votes for an American Democrat also comparable for genocide? So how should we vote in that scenario? One is a racist, one supports genocide?
I brought this up because the conversation was taking about absolutes. I would think then voting for genocide supporters makes you a genocide supporter, right?
It’s not a Strawman.
By claiming that absolutes are bad inherently, they are stating that taking an absolute stance against racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Is also bad. The KKK is a great example, they were defended by White Moderates during the Civil Rights Movement.
You don’t feel like its not a reasonable example if we are talking modern day American politics in the same conversation with unions and minimum wage?
I do agree there are some absolutes that cannot be tolerated. But, it gets difficult to articulate that because some people have such strong opinions about a particular topic, they consider it an absolute. Like murdering a child should never be tolerated would be an example of an absolute I think all of mumanity would support, but it was done during China’s one child policy. So some didn’t subscribe to that.
I find political discussions with certain people hard because they believe their thing should be absolute, rather than up for negotiation, hopefully so both group kinda win instead of everyone loses.
Murdering children wasn’t a part of the One Child Policy, but an unintended outcome from it. It was obviously a terrible policy because of its results, but it wasn’t done to murder children. That’s not a great example.
I was not suggesting it was policy. I was suggesting it was an absolute viewpoint or a personal value.
Second though, I don’t know that I consider KKK supporters moderate. Maybe historically unfortunately, but not now. I’ve never met someone I thought was a middle ground or more center person who supports racism. Especially hard/blatant racism. I’d take ignorance, they might not understand cultural differences.
Center ground in America is definitely pro-racism, considering how far-right America is in general.
I disagree. Not a single person I consider center is even close to a racist.
I work with a bunch of conservative or American Republican voters. None support or are racist.
None of the barely Democrat voters I know are racist. Since there’s assertion that even American Democrats are right, same applies.
Are there groups of shitty people who are, sure. I don’t think they represent the whole of the country. I don’t know why middle ground is interpreted as racism ok. That’s not middle.
Anyone who votes Republican supports their racist policies. Ergo, such a voter might be “one of the good ones” (yeah, I know what I said), but they are OK supporting and increasing the power of a party that is decidedly racist. (and sexist, and homophobic, and transphobic, and, and, and…)
Democrats aren’t perfect by any means, but anyone finding them hard to distinguish from Republicans in those areas should probably feel a bit called out by OP.
Have you considered that you may not realize they are racist because you’re at work, and/or are white as well? I’ve known many conservatives that I didn’t think were racist until I found out later.
You truly don’t know any conservative that posted #AllLivesMatter?
Maybe everyone has different opinions on what racism is?
The dictionaries definition of racism centers around a belief or ideology that one’s race is somehow superior or better than another.
I have high confidence that the particular people I’m asserting would consider themselves middle of the road politically do not in any way believe that their race is somehow superior or better than another. They don’t believe they’re better than African, Latin, Asian, etc, as do I.
I work with a couple of trumpers. Father forgive them for they know not what they do. 😉
From what I can tell, it seems you’re mostly conveying a guilty by association assertion? I think you’re saying if someone votes American republican, because some American publicans are shitty or have racist tendencies, than anyone that votes for them is equally guilty of such.
Wouldn’t this ideology equally apply to biden? Because biden’s administration has supported the war that people claim genocide, does anyone who votes for an American Democrat also comparable for genocide? So how should we vote in that scenario? One is a racist, one supports genocide?
Voting for racists makes you racist, yes. Republican politics are anti-minority, whether thay be sex, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, or otherwise.
It’s really that simple.
Again, what should Americans do?
Then vote for administration supporting genocide?
I brought this up because the conversation was taking about absolutes. I would think then voting for genocide supporters makes you a genocide supporter, right?