• areyouevenreal@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    I mean marx also talks about the Jews and the Christians. I thought the position was that religion helps reinforce class society.

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      9 months ago

      He more talked about Judaism and Christianity, but it was relatively minor compared to actual class analysis and additionally was most famously brought up as a response to antisemetic bullshit that supported the false idea that Jewish people were controlling all of the banks and all of the money and were the source of all problems.

      Marx spoke of Religion as a component of classism, not as a replacement for it, unlike what modern anti-semites do.

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        9 months ago

        I was told marx was an antisemite. That’s what people say about leftists in general it seems.

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          Marx was Jewish himself, and wrote a fiery response against an antisemetic piece. He advocated for Jewish liberation.

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              9 months ago

              Read Marx’s On the Jewish Question. It’s a response to the extremely anti-semetic The Jewish Question, and Marx basically goes through all of its bullshit and concludes that while religion is used by Capitalism to reinforce itself, he advocates for emancipation of religious people themselves. He was an atheist of Jewish descent.

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          It’s easy for people to cherrypick with groups.

          There are tons of antisemitic leftists. I’ve had to heavily curate my social media because of them, and I’m lucky because that’s all I’ve had to do (eg, I’m not being chased across college campuses or doxxed for belonging to a synagogue or have people waiting outside of my door to hound me immediately).

          But there are tons of leftists who aren’t as well.

          Leftism has become co-opted as way for people to virtue signal and rationalize things they want to believe. The right is definitely seizing on this strife. But historically, there’s nobody the left likes to fight more than other leftists.

          And the meme at the top about immigrants… that isn’t new. The USSR was famous for establishing ethnostates and it carries over to modern day. Sure, you could immigrate. But it isn’t like workers held hands and ignored the differences. The pressure was there, but perhaps not the wage pressure. Out groups were still blamed for things like shortages and service degradation, just like today. Nor a defense of anti immigration, but people seem to think the problem exists in uneducated or unenlightened people close to be leftwing. Nope, it’s our cohort. We are watching it in real time right now.