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50 Years Ago, Sugar Industry Quietly Paid Scientists To Point Blame At Fat
Literally just copied Tobacco industry, and still doing it.
Important to note
In the 1960s, the sugar industry funded research that downplayed the risks of sugar and highlighted the hazards of fat, according to a newly published article in JAMA Internal Medicine.
Fat still isn’t good for you. It’s just that sugar is bad for you also.
Fat is an essential macronutrient. It’s just that we consume way too much.
Just stay clear of transfat and saturated fat as much as possible, and you will be healthier.
Yes. Everything in moderation. I should’ve clarified what I said.
According to the sugar association, added sugars are also healthy in moderation. Whatever that means.
Sugar is not unnecessary nutrient. There is no minimum amount of sugar the human body needs or it will die.
Fat is necessary you will die if you don’t eat fat at all.
Most fat is perfectly healthy, it’s when it’s heinously over processed or you eat too much that it’s bad. Sugar also has an important place in a balanced diet, albeit much smaller.
Yes. Everything in moderation. I should’ve clarified what I said.
Maybe a dumb question, but is there a fat industry which could have lobbied against the sugar industry?
I think that’d be anyone selling high-fat products, but I don’t know if they have a specific lobby. Fast food industry alone would support such effort I bet.
Well, there’s big oil, but their lobbying agenda was pretty full already.
They were too busy taking a victory lap after pushing the idea of a “carbon footprint”
The meat industry wants you to believe carbs are the problem.
There is active and vigorous debate about fat.
Fats from natural foods appear to be unquestionably good for you.
The consensus around sugar is slowly slowly painfully slowly agreeing that sugar is not good for you.
It’s going to take us a century to undo the harm of the 1960s
Depends on the fat.
Bro science here: I heard fat and sugar combined is a force multiplier. Easier for body to store fat in presence of sugar.
There is never a better time to quit sugar than now. I lost 20 pounds within a few months when I did it. It is amazing the excess calories we eat without realizing.
I’m not fat, obese or overweight, but sugar is the fucking devil. I have no addictive personality at all, and i don’t even like sweets, but atarted to drink energy drinks at almost 40, and i’m absolutely hooked. I quit smoking like it’s nothing. Alcohol? Nah. But i’m getting nervous when i can’t get my stupid energy drink. I don’t need the energy either
Depending on the drink you’ve probably got a twofold addiction to sugar and also caffeine.
I don’t get any kind of withdrawal symptoms from sugar, but if I don’t have caffeine I start to get anxiety like that.
You are fighting millions of years of evolution, that’s why sugar is so addictive even for people that otherwise don’t have an addictive personality.
They have sugar free energy drinks and they are pretty good. Not that anyone needs them.
Fat industry just took it like a removed.
People keep blaming sugar when it’s usually not the problem. You have a few foods that are pretty much just sugar like soda or gummies. Any other snacks have just as much if not more fat in calories than sugar. Not to mention all the frozen crap, take out and other convenient foods that are loaded in fat and are extremely delicious compared to healthy stuff you can make at home.
Sugar is bad I’m not contesting that, but fat is just as bad. Try to put in more veggies, make food at home, and write down your calories so you can minimize the number of calories you eat. If you’re anything like me, you’ll find out that you’ll always eat more fat than you plan rather than carbs.
This post was sponsored by the sugar association.
write down your calories so you can minimize the number of calories you eat
and weight watchers lol
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And it’s used as a noun in OPs title.
Yeah, I misread the title, wrote my comment, went back and saw that I was stupid, and deleted my comment. I suppose that doesn’t show in all instances though.
That looks like Boogie9288
Is health at any size still a thing or did they all have heart attacks?
You understand that that campaign wasn’t to promote “being fat” but was, instead, about ending the cycle of despair that traps many people in obesity, right? Like, food is addicting (on purpose, gotta make those profits) and there are people who struggle to eat the appropriate amount or get the correct nutrition. When you pile shame onto people, sure, some will change their habits and get their health back on track. But most people, when confronted with negative emotions, will attempt to soothe the feelings of negativity rather than deal with the source of the negativity. For many people, negative campaigns against obesity will just drive them to consume more. Or, maybe they’ll try a fad diet out of desperation, unknowing that fad diets tend to be focused on quick results that don’t have lasting impacts on overall health. Or even negative impacts, as they’ll fail to stick with the diet and gain even more weight than they lost back.
Health at any size was focused on helping people to make small, meaningful changes that they could keep going with for a lifetime. By attempting to remove the stigma of weight, they were trying to get people out of focusing on their weight and instead focused on what they could do to feel better right now (in a healthy and constructive manner).
But, like most things, people who didn’t understand what was being attempted shit on it endlessly until people stopped trying to do it.
The obesity epidemic isn’t some moral failing of individuals it’s a systemic failing and, until it’s treated as such, the obesity rate will only continue to rise.
I already know this is going to be awash with downvotes (again, soothing negativity rather than dealing with the source) but it needs to be said.
They chose their slogan really poorly. Because “healthy at every size” makes it seem like there’s a healthy way to be fat.
But, like most things, people who didn’t understand what was being attempted shit on it endlessly until people stopped trying to do it.
If most come off with the wrong conclusion from a campaign then that’s a poorly done campaign.
I am a formerly obese person who got out of that cycle before HAES hit. I had obese people tell me that HAES meant they are healthy if they could walk up a flight of stairs. Those are the people I am talking about, and they seemed to be people saying HAES the loudest. If there’s a public perception problem surrounding HAES that’s not on the public, that’s on the people who let their message get diluted.
For the record, I made no comment about morality, though I do consider overconsumption to be immoral.
Fair enough, there were also people that misused the term that also made the messaging worthless as well.
It’s genuinely great to hear that that wasn’t the overall goal or intention of the idea.
That said, I think it also does need to be acknowledged that there absolutely were prominent influencers on social media who preached HAES literally - as in, posting videos vehemently declaring the doctors are lying to you and obesity is actually perfectly healthy.
I guess as with many other things, it’s a case of the extreme outliers (who in this case, as you say, didn’t even get the point) getting the most attention and spoiling things for the sane people.
The thing about HAES is that it has always been a wolf in sheep’s clothing
The very origins going back to the '60s come from “we aren’t happy that we are fat and viewed as unattractive, so lets change what people think is attractive.”
Health related concepts were thrown in to legitimize the argument and to act as a convenient red herring.
Yes there is always been a shame reduction aspect, but that shame reduction has been consistently used to enable further self destructive behavior.
It is a highly poisonous mindset that has set back public health by decades.
Man what a valuable comment, thanks for sharing it. I had never heard of health at any size but it sounds great. Sad story tho :(
Then the campaign slogan runs a close second for All Time Stupid, right next to “Defund the Police”.
Two great ideas who managed to suicide over idiot slogans.
Few things are as pathetic as preemptively whining about down votes.
I’m neurodivergent and sometimes need to psych myself up to post something I think is important. Don’t know what else to say. Downvoting is a type of social conditioning and I don’t do well with that, in general.
Some young obese people have healthy markers, but sooner or later, as they age, the problems start.
What bothers me is that many people are so focused on what they see as “overcorrection.” Critics of “big is beautiful” et al spend more time talking about that then the reason that reaction happened in the first place: ridiculously unhealthy, constantly plastered images of what we “should“ look like that usually involve women being thin as a needle and men looking like a Greek hero. That’s the crux of the situation here. That we need to challenge these very unhealthy standards. Those standards have been far more damaging than “big is beautiful“ comments have ever been.
How many women have required medical intervention or even died because of unhealthy attempts to make themselves look like a magazine cover? How many people hate themselves and are mocked ruthlessly because a soap commercial shows a body type that most people will never be able to have? That’s the issue at hand here.
People can be metabolically healthy at any size. That’s the first step. If children are metabolically healthy, and not spiking their insulin all day, then their body will self regulate and lose weight.
I.e. don’t lose weight to get healthy. Get healthy to lose weight.
Still a thing, unfortunately
Feed your kids properly ffs, even if you can’t do it for yourself.
Obesity and poor eating are often generational. Ignorance, poverty and misinformation can all be handed down at the same time as genetics. A lot of the parents don’t know they’re eating poorly. I don’t think the majority are knowingly harming their own children.
Friends of my family, couple of kids similar in age. Always severely overweight. Used to comment all the time about how scrawny me and my siblings were - we were healthy weights. Years later I caught up with one of them - they were practically unrecognisable. They’d lost a ton of weight and said to me that growing up they’d always been told the family was ‘big boned’ but by no means did they ever consider themselves overweight, let alone obese. They saw healthy weight people outside their family and thought they were malnourished.
Your world view is shaped by your upbringing. I’m sure there’s plenty of parents being neglectful or indifferent to their childrens’ health but I’d say plenty more have no idea what they’re doing. Add socio economic factors too, i.e. access to affordable fresh food, walkable cities etc.
It’s not always that. I was fed properly as a kid… Just too much because I was eating my emotions. Being obese is a symptom of a problem. Treating the symptoms didn’t work. It just comes right back.
I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you’ve found your way through it OK
The guy in the image runs Arch btw
Lies, i dont see any knee-socks.
Jokes aside i wonder if this person knew the context their picture was going to be used for or just sold the rights away to “medical journal.
With that new drug maybe this will be a thing of the past
What new drug?
Maybe they mean Ozempic
Yeah I just didn’t want to say the brand name
Oh, oh ,oh? Ozempic you mean?
I think there’s more now too
