Sure. Because doing something about landlords charging way too much for rent would help too many people.
There’s tons of legislation, proposed and enacted, aimed at lowering rent prices, primarily aimed at increasing supply. Things like prohibiting zoning restrictions that limit single family housing, providing incentives for infill developments and affordable housing bonuses, and allowing rent control ordinances.
The article doesn’t say “there is only one bill related to housing this legislative session and it’s for pets”. Just because a bigger problem exists doesn’t mean you have to ignore every other problem until the big one is fixed.
Landlords prohibiting pets is a housing issue because it effectively limits the housing that is available to people. I know when I was looking for an apartment because I had two cats that eliminated probably 50% of housing options I had. I don’t know what this does to the market overall, but I’d bet it does something.
Per ownership is also an objectively positive thing, both for animals in shelters that need homes and for the mental health of people. Landlord restrictions functionally turn pet ownership into a privilege only available to the landed gentry. It’s shitty.
So anyway, this bill addresses a problem and does some good. Just because it won’t singlehandedly solve all the country’s housing affordability problems in one swoop doesn’t mean you have to dismiss it.
Love this take. Thank you!
I haven’t seen any of this in my state. California isn’t the whole world
There’s tons of legislation, proposed and enacted, aimed at lowering rent prices, primarily aimed at increasing supply. Things like prohibiting zoning restrictions that limit single family housing, providing incentives for infill developments and affordable housing bonuses, and allowing rent control ordinances.
If that is the case, I have certainly not been hearing about them. Maybe those are what should be reported on rather than this, which is nowhere near as consequential.
“If I haven’t already come across it, it doesn’t exist, because I am aware of everything that is reported on” right?
Or, you know, an example could be given rather than me just “trust me bro.”
https://www.assembly.ca.gov/schedules-publications/todays-events
Our state government tackles a ton of stuff on the regular. There’s literally too much stuff going on for anyone to keep track of all of it.
Amazingly we can have multiple conversations at once.
Great, when are lawmakers going to start having multiple conversations at once?
When we break the Repuglicans hold on the legislature.
I see you don’t have any pets.
I have two dogs and a fish.
Please outlaw pet rent. I get a refundable deposit, but pet rent is bullshit.
As deposits sometimes aren’t sometimes aren’t enough, I’d also go for needing a pet-owner plan with their renters insurance.
Yo, every pet owner on the planet thinks their pet is perfect and its like pretty much almost never the case. Pet owners will downvote me, but that piece of chewed trim is not cute. Property damage to rentals caused by pets also keeps property vacant between renters for repairs.
So the landlord will use the money from the rent to personally hand repair that furniture himself, right? He won’t just jack up the price and hire a cheap fixture repair place, right?
It’s not just furniture, piss soaking into the floor for extended periods of time can require work to fix. I bought a house that had a renter with a large dog and I had to rip up the floor to find the spot soaked through to the subfloor where the dog always peed during the day while the owner was out, it reaked.
Okay. That would happen if you bought from a non renter too. Pets are a part lf the human experience and humans need housing. Landlords can live with the costs or sell up so people can buy.
Pets don’t need to be “part of the human experience” any more than drugs do. They’re optional and some people choose to have them and some don’t. Some people don’t like pets and don’t want to be forced to live around others’ pets.
Have you even thought for a second that some people might CHOOSE housing based on the fact that a community doesn’t allow pets? And by “mandating all landlords allow pets” you are eliminating housing options for these people? God you people are like religious zealots and think everyone should be forced to believe in the same things you do.
Friggin crazy fascists. “You’re going to like my pitbull (oh he’s harmless and you’re dog-racist if you believe otherwise) and now I want to force you to raise your kids around my untrained shit factory and step in his crap and listen to him bark constantly or you’re a horrible person.”
Holy hell I hate you with the passion of a thousand suns.
Lol
Well it didn’t take long to go from “housing is a human right” to “pets are a human right” lmao
Imagine cum guzzling landlords rights on Lemmy of all places lmao
next the peasants might be asking for healthcare lmao
Or they can just not allow pets wtf?
Or we can mandate that pets should be allowed because humans want pets and landlords have driven humans out of home ownership, so now they need to be massively regulated.
If landlord’s don’t like it, they can sell up and people can buy homes again.
Not all humans want pets. And those humans don’t like to be forced to live among other people’s pets.
Oh that definitely overrides anything else. I don’t like the colour orange so I’ll just go ahead and claim no one else can have orange stuff incase we need to room together
This dog?
Actually, at least in my state, tools and labor done by a landlord can’t be listed as an expense for taxes. If they hire someone they can list it as an expense on taxes.
Well, the only thing my dog did was start to lose her bladder control before I put her down. But she managed to make it to the pee pad every time even then.
Not all dogs bro. My girl was perfect. Didn’t even bark. I’ll probably never find another one like her though.
Sorry for your loss. There really are perfect good bois and good girls out there. I have met a couple.
Babies and old people shit in carpet way more than pets, make more noise too.
That is definitely not true, and it’s obvious you’ve never let an apartment.
My sister’s kid has definitely left more shit on my carpet than all 4 of my cats combined.
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You, as a landlord, simply have no idea whether pets or people shit in your apartment. It’s not radioactive waste, people can just clean it up.
Way to be disingenuous
Way to disregard other people’s experience, easy to do if you never leave your basement.
Not at all true.
Some of my pets are shits, some are angels. My wife thinks some are angels and some are shits.
We were very fortunate to find a place the; landlord doesn’t seem to care about, and the previous tenant was a… Crazy pet owner, rumor was he was breeding dogs, so the floors were shot already, no monthly pet fee, no extra pet deposit, no need to have them repair anything, we probably won’t get the deposit back, but I doubt we would’ve if we had an up to snuff place, as our puppy was still learning the difference between outside and inside (he knows now)
Uh, case in point. You found a place trashed by pets, brought your ‘shits and angels’ in to wreck it more, and are oblivious to their effects on a home. This is what I was talking about.
The rental was vacant for months before our moving in, not earning any money, the “repairs” on it were sub par where done at all, the property is almost certainly illegally subdivided, the landlord offered a “give me sex for no rent next month” agreement with the other tenant (who had never brought up financial difficulties, nor is in a spot that would require leniency), has turned down multiple grants to take care of fire damaged trees on the hill sloping towards our back door, and it’s their only property in my state from looking at the other holdings dude is a slum lord. Also we’re paying way too much for the amount of upkeep that’s being put into the place. Also learned from a neighbor (who renovated, might have had the idea to flip the house) that the person who built 3 of the houses on this street (including ours) “followed a code, but it wasn’t {states} code. We’re out in the boonies, nobody wants any more attention here than required. If we hadn’t rented this place it would probably still be on the market what they were asking for it (half hour of heavy mountain road out of town), but we get no questions asked, a 2 car garage, no electric gas or water bill (hence illegal subdivision) and twice the sqf for less than what we’d be paying for half that space, no garage, and"communal” billing rates.
We’re being taken advantage of financially, they don’t ask questions (was one of the selling points) regarding our animals. Our animals btw haven’t trashed the place, they don’t urinate outside of their designated areas, they don’t tear up the carpets or chew on the walls, nature is taking care of plenty of those things, but the animals we keep have nothing to do with it.
One of the things that has prevented me from finding a new apartment is my cat. Been on the market for ages, and 90% of listings are automatically off the table because they don’t allow pets. It’s an extremely common restriction. This would be a huge win. Obviously doesn’t solve any of the more important problems with landlords and excessive rates; but it’s definitely something that a lot of people would notice and benefit from.
This is so weird. Around where I live most apartments accept pets up to, usually, 50lbs with a pet deposit and only bar certain breeds. Some have quantity restriction as well but very few won’t accept pets at all.
Trust me it’s not weird at all. I’ve lived in bigger cities in nine states, every single one of those had severe limitations when it came to any pets unless they were fish. Some areas are more lenient than others but I had a hell of a time finding a place that would except a medium sized dog in every single city and never once did I not pay an additional deposit as well as additional “pet rent”
Sometimes even fish because an aquarium malfunction can cause serious damage.
Hmm. Never had trouble in CA.
Moving there in 2 weeks from Oklahoma and had no issues finding houses that allowed pets myself. In fact most seemed to welcome them.
The rental market for houses is kinda weird out here. It’s the apartment complexes/ condos/ multi-family units that have the ridiculous restrictions. In my city more than 70% of the residents rent.
Also welcome to the state, we have bumpier land out here than OK, also trees.
Yeah it is absolutely beautiful. We are in Sacramento and the company flew us out last month to check it out before we committed and we are in love with it. I’m an outdoorsy type so it’s great for me. Looking forward to milder summers than here for sure.
“When you put them all into a package, it’s so rife with possibilities for errors on the part of the landlord,” Gulbransen said. “That makes people think twice about renting out that empty unit.”
Oh no.
Plus, she said the state already has laws in place to protect renters with disabilities or mental health issues who rely on emotional support or service animals.
Oh, well since they are already bending over backwards following ADA guidelines obviously that’s argument enough
Btw to those who didn’t read the article, it also mentions how a lot of pets are surrendered because the owners couldn’t find housing that accommodates them.
Lmao ITT: cats and dogs have evolved next to humans for thousands of years
Commentor: well that’s the first I’ve heard of this, they probably don’t even tip their landlord!
I assume this (and really any extra mandates for landlords) is going to drive more small/private landlords out of the business, and that won’t necessarily increase housing availability on its own, but will instead be filled by larger corporate landlords that can afford to deal with administrative work required. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve found small landlords to be where you can find the best experience (but also maybe the worst, it’s more variable), having just corporate landlords feels like you’ll always get a shittier place (minimal work done) for market rates.
Definitely a YMMV situation, with corporate landlords when I’ve called them out for breaking the law they usually backpedal. Mom and pop landlords in my experience always attempt to skirt around laws and just out right down respect them.
The golden experience to me has always been small businesses landlords who aren’t quite corporate yet, might own a building or two, but generally small in the grand scheme of things. They ofc eventually sell out to the corporate ownership anyways.
This bill also assures soundproof apartments and funding to enforce waste pickup right?
It can and should come out of the profit margins of the landlord.
In Belgium landlords can’t prohibit pets. In reality they often say pets aren’t allowed anyways, but if you keep quiet until after everything is signed they can’t really do anything about it. Of course pissing off your landlord by doing something they specifically requested you avoid isn’t going to keep them on good terms, and if it’s an option, finding a home that allows them is better.
Of course this law only applies to pets that are suitable for the space. If you keep a massive dog in a tiny studio appartment you might find yourself in legal hot water, but something like a cat should never be an issue.
Depends on the breed. My best friend in university had an absolutely MASSIVE Newfoundland Retriever, and they were quite happy in a 450 sq ft efficiency apartment. I’ll fully admit that is cheating, as Newfies routinely get to 200-250 lbs, but they are lazy as all fuck, and mostly nap all day.
That makes people think twice about renting out that empty unit.
Yes I can totally see landlords being so dismayed by the new complexity of housing rules that they just let the $150,000 they could have earned in high rent areas over the next 5 years just go to pot instead of hiring a professional property manager or selling. Sure real.
Granted I’m not in California, but is this actually an issue? As someone with fairly intense dog/cat allergies it’s actually been really hard to find NON-pet-friendly places to rent - those seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
It seems like different areas of the country have different rental “cultures”. Where I live now it’s incredibly difficult to find a pet-friendly apartment, with or without any sort of fee or deposit. And most locals think it’s normal and well justified. In the places I’ve lived previously it was mostly just restrictions on large dogs or reasonable limits to the number of pets. I’ve spent my entire life around pets (both my own and those of family/roommates). It feels VERY weird to me that the many people here don’t consider owning pets a normal lifestyle choice many people make even if they’re not in a position to own their own home.
Was somewhat common in San Francisco to see no pets allowed listings last time I rented there.
bar property owners from asking about pets on applications, prohibit additional monthly fees for pet owners — or “pet rent” — and limit pet deposits.
I love animals and have a dog, but it seems like all this will do is raise everyone’s rent.
They are going to raise rents anyways, might as well get a dog out of it.
If I have the liability of ripping up carpet and subfloor to eliminate the piss smell, you’re rent is going way the fuck up pal.
Adam “The Father of Capitalism” Smith, on land leeches:
"the landlords love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”
If you can’t risk it then don’t buy it 🤷🏽
or…transfer the risk on to you. As your behavior is the risk.
I’ve run out of landlord necks to shit down. Any of you human beings got one you’d borrow me?
I would love it. Finding anything that can fit the bill for dogs is absolutely horrible in the bay area.
You’re obviously a shitass, but since you asked: a dog bit through my hand right before a music gig. The owner pulled the classic “oh she’s never done anything like that before!” and gave zero reprimand to the dog and didnt answer “WHY IN THE FUCK IS IT UNLEASHED IN PUBLIC??!”
Idk who you’re replying too but, yeah dogs should be on leashes. No exceptions.
I don’t really see how this relates to landlords being made to accept pets. Most people will opt for a more expensive home than part with their pets
