If you’re dealing with tritiated water, no sane person would just call it “water”."
And you’re missing my point. Using my example again, if you mix radioactive materials with water, you’re not gonna have a chain reaction causing every water molecule to become radioactive. The water is just a medium. Adding another 10 ton of water to the leaked 5,5 would only dilute the concentration, not add to it. “Radioactive water” says nothing without concentrations specified.
If somebody asked what’s worse, 1 ton radioactive water or 100 000 ton radioactive water? Your first response would surely be asking for the concentrations. For all you know that 100 000 ton of water could be sea water with natural concentrations of uranium.
Nobody here is arguing concentration doesn’t matter, and most of us remember previous discussions on this topic we’ve had here when the radioactive release was mentioned. If I had to drink 10 mL of hydrochloric acid, I’d obviously want to do it in the most diluted form possible so I didn’t kill myself.
You should know headlines shorten things though. Since you actually clicked on the article, you would know the amount of radioactivity in the water was actually provided as well as the more precise wording “water containing radioactive materials”
Nobody here is arguing concentration doesn’t matter
The point of concentrations is exactly why I have issues with the headline. You guys replied to my comment, so naturally that will be the point I’m arguing. You can’t just reply to someone talking about x and after they reiterate/clarify their point about x tell them that nobody talks about x.
and most of us remember previous discussions on this topic we’ve had here when the radioactive release was mentioned.
I’m seeing this via browsing all, whatever discussion have previously been on other posts on this community I’m completely unaware of.
You should know headlines shorten things though. Since you actually clicked on the article, you would know the amount of radioactivity in the water was actually provided as well as the more precise wording “water containing radioactive materials”
And that makes it even worse in my opinion. The author knew the headline was bad and still went with it. If the article contained no real details, they could at least have made the excuse of ignorance.
whatever discussion have previously been on other posts on this community I’m completely unaware of.
Understood, but just wanted you to know that we do agree that concentration matters.
If you’re dealing with tritiated water, no sane person would just call it “water”."
This is also why it wasn’t called that.
While it hasn’t been clear in the articles I’ve seen on today’s information, there’s reasonable grounds to assume this could be tritiated water given it was when the water was intentionally discharged in October.
Japanese limits in acceptable radioactivity for sea release is 60,000 Becquerels per liter, or about 1.3 billion in 5.5 tons. Even by this arguably high limit, the 22 billion is still well over this.
Consequently, it’s reasonable that people would react to this as a clear failure — the power plant is leaking water with radioactive contaminants at higher than permitted regulatory levels.
Understood, but just wanted you to know that we do agree that concentration matters.
Sounds like we are mostly on the same page honestly. Just different reactions to the headline.
While it hasn’t been clear in the articles I’ve seen on today’s information, there’s reasonable grounds to assume this could be tritiated water given it was when the water was intentionally discharged in October.
It’s quite common for leaks to contain tritiated water as it’s a byproduct of the energy production, and it isn’t a chemical that always gets removed during water treatment like strontium or cesium. In the case of fukushima, their concentration levels are low enough that it isn’t really removed during water treatment. They absolutely did not have anywhere close 5,5 ton of pure tritiated water leaked though.
Japanese limits in acceptable radioactivity for sea release is 60,000 Becquerels per liter, or about 1.3 billion in 5.5 tons. Even by this arguably high limit, the 22 billion is still well over this.
I’m not saying it isn’t newsworthy. I’m just annoyed by the poor headline.
If you’re dealing with tritiated water, no sane person would just call it “water”."
And you’re missing my point. Using my example again, if you mix radioactive materials with water, you’re not gonna have a chain reaction causing every water molecule to become radioactive. The water is just a medium. Adding another 10 ton of water to the leaked 5,5 would only dilute the concentration, not add to it. “Radioactive water” says nothing without concentrations specified.
If somebody asked what’s worse, 1 ton radioactive water or 100 000 ton radioactive water? Your first response would surely be asking for the concentrations. For all you know that 100 000 ton of water could be sea water with natural concentrations of uranium.
Nobody here is arguing concentration doesn’t matter, and most of us remember previous discussions on this topic we’ve had here when the radioactive release was mentioned. If I had to drink 10 mL of hydrochloric acid, I’d obviously want to do it in the most diluted form possible so I didn’t kill myself.
You should know headlines shorten things though. Since you actually clicked on the article, you would know the amount of radioactivity in the water was actually provided as well as the more precise wording “water containing radioactive materials”
The point of concentrations is exactly why I have issues with the headline. You guys replied to my comment, so naturally that will be the point I’m arguing. You can’t just reply to someone talking about x and after they reiterate/clarify their point about x tell them that nobody talks about x.
I’m seeing this via browsing all, whatever discussion have previously been on other posts on this community I’m completely unaware of.
And that makes it even worse in my opinion. The author knew the headline was bad and still went with it. If the article contained no real details, they could at least have made the excuse of ignorance.
Understood, but just wanted you to know that we do agree that concentration matters.
This is also why it wasn’t called that.
While it hasn’t been clear in the articles I’ve seen on today’s information, there’s reasonable grounds to assume this could be tritiated water given it was when the water was intentionally discharged in October.
Japanese limits in acceptable radioactivity for sea release is 60,000 Becquerels per liter, or about 1.3 billion in 5.5 tons. Even by this arguably high limit, the 22 billion is still well over this.
Consequently, it’s reasonable that people would react to this as a clear failure — the power plant is leaking water with radioactive contaminants at higher than permitted regulatory levels.
Sounds like we are mostly on the same page honestly. Just different reactions to the headline.
It’s quite common for leaks to contain tritiated water as it’s a byproduct of the energy production, and it isn’t a chemical that always gets removed during water treatment like strontium or cesium. In the case of fukushima, their concentration levels are low enough that it isn’t really removed during water treatment. They absolutely did not have anywhere close 5,5 ton of pure tritiated water leaked though.
I’m not saying it isn’t newsworthy. I’m just annoyed by the poor headline.