“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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    Who said anything about altruism? All sides are motivated by self interest. Ukrainians want to kill Russian soldiers on their soil, and the US wants other people to kill Russian soldiers on foreign soil.

    They cooperate because their interests align, even if Ukrainians have a more justified motivation.

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      Ah, so you’re finally admitting that what we’re seeing is a proxy war between the regime US installed in Ukraine after a coup in 2014 and Russia. We’re finally getting somewhere.

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        This war was instigated by Russia. It is not a proxy war, by definition. Just a regular war.

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            Russia instigated the war regardless of any “provocation”.

            By your definition, the Great Patriotic War was a “proxy war”, since the US sent weapons to the USSR in order to help them defeat a common threat.

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              First the difference is that in the Great Patrotic War the US was a party to the war, as of right now the US is not a party to the war and fighting through someone else

              Second, how exactly did Russia instigate the war, when it was Ukraine not Russia who violated the Minsk Accords?

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                The US was not at war until the end of 1941, so by your definition Operation Barbarossa was part of a proxy war between the US and Germany.

                Russia instigated the war by sending hostile troops into Ukraine, which is an act of war. Violating a treaty is not an act of war. If it were, the US would now be at war with Russia after they violated the New START treaty.

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                  First treaty violations have different outcomes, tye new START treaty was a renegotation and surplanted the previous one, a treaty that said “Hey maybe dont shell donotesk and luhonsk” that was violated and attempt to peacefully remind Ukraine of their treaty obligations for 8 years calls for a little more

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                    Regardless of what the treaty said, a violation cannot justify war. Sovereign nations have the right to enter and leave treaties as they see fit. That’s what sovereign means: complete authority over what takes place within its borders.

                    When a sovereign nation will not abide by any treaties, the ultimate consequence is international isolation not invasion.