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Tech companies argued in comments on the website that the way their models ingested creative content was innovative and legal. The venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz, which has several investments in A.I. start-ups, warned in its comments that any slowdown for A.I. companies in consuming content “would upset at least a decade’s worth of investment-backed expectations that were premised on the current understanding of the scope of copyright protection in this country.”
underneath the screenshot is the “Oh no! Anyway” meme, featuring two pictures of Jeremy Clarkson saying “Oh no!” and “Anyway”
screenshot (copied from this mastodon post) is of a paragraph of the NYT article “The Sleepy Copyright Office in the Middle of a High-Stakes Clash Over A.I.”
I don’t give a shit about copyright for training AI.
But I don’t give a shit about investors, either.
Copyright should ceise to exist and sharing digital copies of any content should be a protected right. The best software is foss anyway.
But if i cant have that i will settle for techbross going to jail for mass theft. Either the law is equal or it is unlawful.
Nah. Even in its current stupid state, copyright has to recognize that sifting through the entire internet to get a gigabyte of linear algebra is pretty goddamn transformative.
No kidding the machine that speaks English read every book in the library. Fuck else was it gonna do?
For some licensing its not about how transformed it is but wether or not it was used.
Many of the books it read where not supposed to be in this library. The datasets used contains heaps of pirated content.
I repeat i am for abolishing copyright and legalizing digital piracy, including to train intelligence but if that wont be the case and piracy remains illegal then i want to see the “criminals” punisht. Nothing is worse in law then double standards that punish the small and leave alone the giants.
Remember this? He downloaded and shared a grand total of 30 songs. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8226751&page=1
“This law is immoral but also twist these criminals’ balls off” is a double standard. Mercilessly enforcing shite laws is never a sane position.
Especially when I am telling you - this isn’t illegal. The overwhelming majority of AI training is plainly transformative, and based on readily-available public materials. A torrented version of a published work is still a published work. I don’t care how they got it, and obviously neither should you, But you want to act infuriated that this cutting-edge technology used dubiously-sourced… text files? Shush.
Thats not quite what i am saying.
Personally i believe the law to be immoral and should be changed and no one should be punished for using, creating or distributing digital copies. Including tech companies.
But my personal opinions dont seem to matter. If we as a society chose to enforce these laws and the consequences for people for breaking them is harsh then logicaly those same consequences should apply to the rich and powerful.
My hope is once these laws threaten the powefull they will finnaly lobby to get fully rid of them so everyone can be free.
I am not upset they use pirated materials, i am a pirate myself because i believe piracy is morally in the right.
I am upset that admitting that in this comment could be used as evidence in police investigation, heavy fines and jail for me personally while if your rich enough you wont, and if they try you just fly off to wherever your not prosecuted.
I fail to realize how it matters how much it is transformed. CopyLEFT works are about any use where something is derived from x. Well they where “used” and the result is therefor a derived work. From that perspective talking about how transformed it is completely unrecognizable is is a strawman because copyleft doesn’t care about. Its designed to destroy copyright by forcing free access on derived works.
On a sidenote, i am near certain that meta trained llama on personal profiles and messengers from facebook, instagram, whatsapp and that is why it is such a powerful model for its size. That has nothing to do with copyright and probably Fully legal using some twisted legal words. In this i see a form of exploitation that should be punished but Zuckerberg will never see jail for that so yeah any reason to show tech companies that don’t rule the world i am happy to see, even if it uses a law i rather have not existing, especially when that law will keep existing for the rest of us.
And ignoring when people explain that it does.
You want copyleft to be super duper copyright, where even quoting a sentence of a Cory Doctorow novel demands an entire newspaper gets GPL’d forever. We don’t care what fair use says! This anti-copyright goal demands more protection than mere copyright!
This is silly.
Transformation is where copyright does not apply, because you did something new. No matter what works you referenced - your thing is different. It’s why Disney can’t sue Wikipedia for articles describing their movies. It’s also why Wikipedia can’t sue OpenAI for models describing their articles.
I want copyleft to destroy copyright by using the law against itself because I believe that to be the only way.
I am all about destabilizing a system that should not exists. I would go as far and say if you read a copyleft book then all your future ideas should be barred from holding patents and become public domain instantly. That is also how i treat my own ideas because my ultimum stance is that:
“The highest reward for any intelligent or creative thought is to see everyone adopt it” Copying is truly a form of flattery its tangible proof that you contributed to the world, that others perceive you as good.
But that is only half my point and its easily refutable as unrealistic and extremist. I feel like its my second stance that is getting ignored.
Which is “if a law is enforced it should be enforced equally towards all social classes
That is because I recognize my main stance is an ideal that no politician would take serious. This second one though, how can anyone disagree?
Again its about destabilizing the system. Rich people don’t like going to jail so if we enforce the strictest versions of laws we can help motivate lobbyist to get rid of copyright all together.
Accurate enforcement of copyright would have no effect on AI because training is fair use.
Wishing it were otherwise is a misunderstanding of copyright, even if you’re against copyright.