Kind of amazing how many instances are blocking lemmygrad as soon as they’re created. I know that liberals really don’t like dissenting opinions but goddamn

  • pleasemakesense
    23·
    2 years ago

    I’m mostly talking about the ones in DPRK. The claimed Chinese ones are more like culture erasure camps, I don’t know how you guys feel about those

      • pleasemakesense
        35·
        2 years ago

        Would any source I give you be acceptable to you? Guessing western media is out of the question, WHO and HRW too. It’s difficult providing sources if the only acceptable ones are those that deny it’s happening

        • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          2 years ago

          I would gladly debunk those HRW and western media sources, because I know all of them and their tactics always boil down to citing RFA (a CIA front), quoting “anonymous” sources, and just making shit up. It’s yellow journalism. Please feel free to cite them, don’t assume we will reject them outright – you’ve jumped to a conclusion before leaving us a chance to take on your assumptions.

        • commiespammer@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          2 years ago

          No. The western sources, why would they tell the truth or say good things about North Korea? They have no incentive. Think about it. There’s no reason for them to praise NK, but every reason to demonize it.

          I know I sound like a brainwashed tankie, but… just think about it for a bit. If you’re willing to learn more, you can ask around, everyone here is friendly and open to new people. If you’re not, then lemmygrad probably isn’t the instance for you.

          • pleasemakesense
            21·
            2 years ago

            I’m fine with being hyper critical of sources, what I don’t understand is, if you go down that route dismissing sources because of some clandestine connection, why isn’t this applicable to any source? Western media controlled by the CIA or whatever with an agenda of demonizing socialism, media controlled by socialist countries with an agenda of demonizing capitalism. It’s so weird only extending that scepticism to western media

            • commiespammer@lemmygrad.ml
              6·
              2 years ago

              Well, here’s the thing, it’s impossible to be completely objective. So I choose to trust socialist sources because socialism makes more sense to me, and America has lied before.

              About Xinjiang— It really is a campaign against terrorism, and not just in Xinjiang. I saw anti-terror slogans plastered on walls when I went back in 2018 or something. And now there is nearly no terrorism in China. All the “proof” for camps are blurry satellite images. It’s an awfully weak reed to rest on. And all the articles cite each other back and forth, all the way to “Adrian Zenz”, apparently some christo-fascist dude who thinks jews will die in the rapture.

              Yeah.

        • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
          2·
          2 years ago

          Any source. Surveying all the evidence is a fundamental aspect of Marxist analysis.

          It doesn’t have to be in English, either. It’s the language of the forum but there are people here from all over, who may be able to explain sources in other languages for those who can’t read it (and there’s always DeepL). That said, in this case, English is probably your best bet for a wider response and is probably the language of the source in any event.