Legal experts skewered Alina Habba’s “comedy of bumbling errors” in Trump defamation trial
Former President Donald Trump’s appeal of the $83.3 million verdict in the defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll is unlikely to succeed, legal experts say.
“Let me ruin the suspense for everyone. Trump doesn’t have an appeal,” Nashville lawyer Brian Manookian argued Friday. “I know the talking heads on TV who have never tried a case or appealed a jury verdict have to mention it. Here’s why it isn’t going to fly.”
A person must “preserve a reversible error at the trial level” in order to have a case with merit on appeal, Manookian explained, ultimately blaming Trump’s lack thereof on his legal team in the case.
“This is why you hire competent counsel. You need someone who actually knows the rules of evidence and procedure,” he said. “Alina Habba had no clue what was occurring throughout the trial. She not only failed to preserve any remote grounds for appeal, like a moron, she repeatedly and unintentionally waived them over and over.”
trump thinks only in terms of television. he picked the pretty lawyer because, in his mind, everyone that looks good is better than other people. his narcissism is chronic.
He picked the pretty lawyer from the increasingly tiny pool of incompetent lawyers who are still willing to risk whatever career they ever hoped to have in exchange for being hung out to dry and screwed out of any money they expected to receive.
Trump truly believes that he’s going to be President again, none way or another. If he doesn’t win the actual vote he thinks that millions of his supporters will flood the streets and enthrone him. All the trials are merely a sideshow to him.
Reminds me of an old story. Son is condemned to be shot for cowardice. His father, the general, sends him a message to act bravely, because he will be pardoned at the last minute. The son faces his last hours coolly, because he has nothing to fear. When they finally slip the blindfold on he realizes that Daddy couldn’t save him, but Daddy wanted him to die bravely. The only difference is Trump is the ‘victim’ who lies to himself.
Hahaha what a fantasy. That would never happen. Why it is so funny, I believe you that he believes that.
Also his dementia.
Can you please explain Rudy Giuliani by the same logic
Only applies to women. His judgement for men is how far into his ass they’re willing to go to kiss it.
Show me one person who wouldn’t fawn over his dribbling hairline and nicotine stained fingers…
They were friends for years before Trump was President. At one point, I would have said Giuliani may be Trump’s only real friend–yes, even unhinged narcissists can have friends. Giuliani screwed up a lot during his Administration, and until Jan 6, Trump mostly let it go. He didn’t do that for any other lawyer or flunky. However, even Giuliani wasn’t safe when Jan 6 failed.
“I do think part of the rough week he had was having chosen a counsel who doesn’t seem to have any, not just chops, but judgment about how you try a case like this when it’s already been established[,]and you may not quibble that your client has sexually assaulted the plaintiff and then lied about it.”
Shitheads in Ohio be like, “Imma vote for him!” Because corporate journalism has failed catastrophically.
Stop blaming the media.
When he said he liked soldiers who didn’t get captured, the main stream media reported it. When the pussy grabber tape came out the media was all over it. They played the tapes of him talking about perving on the Miss Teen USA contestants.
I saw one of his defenders on The View. One of the panelists kept repeating ‘grab the pussy’ over and over. The woman who was supporting Trump asked her not to use that offensive language.
The media reported and the MAGoos decided it didn’t matter.
Stop absolving the media. They absolutely have some culpability here for treating whackjobs with the same credulity they treat scientists, treating existential threats against democracy as if they’re a normal part of the political horse race, and otherwise perpetuating habitual and systemic balance fallacies on a massive scale. The “MAGoos” didn’t just go off the deep end on their own; the media helped mislead them straight off it.
The other poster actually gave examples. You posted something but vague references to a “balance fallacy” (I love how you cited that, but not any examples. lol) . .and have a way better upvote to downvote ration than the other poster.
This is the perfect example of this place using the upvote as the “I agree” button rather than actual, good arguments that add to the discussion. People want to shit on the media, and you gave them an a vague, effectively unchallengeable post to do so. Congrats.
Sounds like you’re just mad you’re wrong though.
What, exactly, an I wrong about here?
I thought the American media has no obligation to the American people and it’s reporting, however flawed, is protected under the first amendment.
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I never said they didn’t.
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I equally have a first amendment right to removed about how irresponsible they’re being.
Sure, but you’re trying to give them a responsibility they don’t have or care to have. Your truth to power doesn’t amount to much. And I agree, that’s a huge problem.
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Exactly, we all know what terrible person he is because of this.
Trump and his people treat the media the same way surly tweens treat their parents. If the NY Times says that Trump is one of the richest people in the world his people will repeat that claim over and over. If the Times says that Donnie took money from Putin it’s FAKE NEWS!
And if they said that he took money from Putin to become one of the richest in the world, that’s just good business.
The actually hilarious thing is that Trump could have extorted billions out of Putin on Inauguration Day.
“Hey, Vlad, why don’t you release all those pictures you have of me. That’s right, send 'em all to the NY Times. I got the CIA on stand by to prove they are all fakes. Now, Vlad, if you send me $10 billion I promise not to go to Congress tomorrow and beg them to fast track letting Ukraine join NATO. You’re alread yon it? I knew we could stay pals…”
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Looks like typical DJT operating procedures. Hire incompetence and then blame the system for their incompetence. I used to do high stakes litigation. We would have an attorney on our trial team whose only responsibility was preserving error. I wonder if DJT will sue her for malpractice. That would probably make her extra sad for servicing his tiny mushroom.
We gotta end small-dick hate, homedog.
It’s not small dick hate. It’s calling out the shallowest thing that would piss trump off. It’s especially poetic as he makes exaggerated claims about his persons all the time, including what we know is a complete exaggeration on the size of his dick (thanks Stormy).
Any other person I’m in total agreement with you.
Just not this one. Not after he fucking mocked a disabled person on live TV and suffered zero consequences.
This is all we’ve got right now.
Being one of the lesser-endowed, I’ll allow it.
Body shaming isn’t acceptable just because it’s someone you don’t like.
I get the same vibe. I don’t care about DJTs hurt feelings for being called “small dick”, but I do recognize that there are people out there who actually are “lesser endowed”, and its gotta be frustrating to see it used as an insult all the time. Maybe having a “small dick” isn’t the greatest, but its also totally acceptable and people shouldn’t be made to feel negatively about something they really had no control over. My two cents lol
Body-shaming of people who don’t overcompensate and claim the exact opposite of their particular issue, you mean?
Like, when a 100% blind guy wants to take up cataract surgery because of their acute eyesight, you’re gonna say “dawg, it’s maybe not your thing”. And if they persist with full-page ads as to their keen eyesight, then we have DJT.
It’s a yes from me.
Would he have some kind of case for appeal due to incompetent counsel?
No. In a criminal case, but not in a civil lawsuit.
Not in a civil trial, from what I’m hearing, but IANAL.
Same. I’m analing right now.
Didn’t she have a gaming laptop computer at the beginning of the trial in court? Game on!
And it wasn’t even hers. The gaming laptop belonged to the court and was used for the live transcript feed.
I have a hard time believing that to be honest
I don’t, wasting taxpayer money is something we do a lot at all levels of government.
That only happens in the wet dreams that conservatives have. You then wake up, satisfied that your view of reality is the only one.
Nah, that’s exactly the kind of thing that happens when they send an intern out to buy equipment.
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You get what you pay for 🤫
The funny part is, he lost the case so he is famous for stiffing the lawyers.
She is going to have to sue him for the payment. That’s gonna be very funny to see.I hope she hires a decent lawyer
It’s crappy lawyers all the way down.
Your honour, my client is destitute and refuses to pay because I provided him with inadequate counsel.
No, judge, I realize the paper doesn’t say that. I’m telling you I completely screwed up but he should still pay me anyway.
What’s that? Oh, yes, I am representing myself. Thanks for asking!
To be honest I hope so too.
Then I want to thank Alina Habba for helping to preserve a chance for democracy in the US.
she was pretending to be smart.
Would I be a bigot if I were to observe that she probably wouldn’t be trumps lawyer if she were an overweight balding middle aged male?
No because you’re not judging anyone but trump
Are you referring to Rudy Giuliani? Because he was also incompetent.
No no no, he said “middle aged”. Ghouliani is clearly much older.
Lol. Let’s see if she gets paid.
I’d say what kind of professional wouldn’t get payment upfront from Trump these days, but
Someone, in an aside to a comment on Reddit a few days ago, seemed to suggest she was prepaid $2.5MM. I haven’t looked up to confirm.
But people here on Lemmy have told me repeatedly that she isn’t stupid and that she was creatively doing Trump’s bidding! As recently as yesterday!
Do you mean to tell me she is stupid?!
I don’t think she’s a good lawyer, but I also don’t think she’s stupid. I would call her shrewd. She’s exactly where she wants to be, if her end goal is more than 15 minutes of fame (which it seems to be, given that radio show). If trump sues her, she can just extend her time in the spotlight. If not, she can always sue him for nonpayment herself
Like she’s a total bimbo though, it’s so obvious…
She did have to pass the bar at some point I’d imagine. She can’t be completely dumb. A reverse Elle Woods maybe
Passed the bar by faking being smart, I guess.
Yeah, by cheating for example…
Given her blatant ignorance of basic lawering cheating on her bars seems likely.
Some of these Trump lawyers are so bad that I’m seriously questioning the Bar’s ability to filter out terrible lawyers.
Hey, I’ve said she’s an evil manipulative removed, not a bimbo.
That doesn’t make her a good lawyer though.
She’s fucking incompetent, not some evil mastermind…
Absolutely not a mastermind. Definitely evil, definitely manipulative. Not particularly competent.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/30/trump-golf-club-worker-sexually-harassment-lawsuit-00129307
You would think.
A good lawyer would have reserved ground for an appeal. But she is not a good lawyer. Trump is going to write the check, but he will not see the money come back.
One argument goes that she was counting on her blatant incompetence to be grounds for appeal. Once/if Trump ever finds a competent lawyer willing to represent him.
Having a bad lawyer is not grounds for an appeal. You have to prove they committed an act. She was just stupid enough to stipulate to all the evidence. Stupid doesn’t work for an appeal.
Well, I’ve never found Trump appealing… 🥁🥁🥁
Obviously he’ll fire his lawyer, he goes through them like most people go through tissues.
History tells us that he’s also not going to pay her and will probably be a person of interest when she’s charged with a felony.
This is gold Jerry, freaking gold.
It feels like Trump always hires incompetent lawyers so he and his media cronies can cry foul when it inevitably goes south. That’s not how the legal system works. I type this while I await jury duty.
It’s because nobody competent will work for him. The few competent people who are soulless enough have already been fired, quit, left unpaid, etc… I wonder if there’s a comprehensive list somewhere. It’s a dozen-plus, at this point, I think?
Can he call for an appeal or mistrial based on inadequate legal protection or ineffective assistance of council?
Is that a thing?
Not in a civil trial. That’s only for criminal trials.
You can appeal civil cases. Happens all the time. You constantly hear “jury awarded 1 billion dollars but was reduced to 50 dollars on appeals.”
Is there an upper limit for a jury award of nominal damages? The Georgia Court of Appeals is set to weigh in after Walmart, represented by attorneys from Florida-based firm GrayRobinson, appealed a $1 million personal injury verdict on Tuesday, arguing the jury awarded nothing for pain, suffering or medical losses and $1 million is not a “trivial amount”—even if the defendant is Walmart.
They didn’t say you couldn’t appeal a civil case. They said that ineffective counsel can’t be the basis of that appeal.
I think it can be argued by a competent appeals attorney but the likes of them working with Trump at this end-game are 0.
