If they hand you a gun and tell you to march off to die in a foreign land, turn the gun around on your killer.
LOL, the support of Ukraine is happening exactly so we don’t get WW3 and won’t have to send our soldiers to fight.
Anyone who thinks Ukraine is Russia’s ultimate goal is extremely naive.
It wasn’t Crimea, it wasn’t Georgia, it wasn’t Chechnya. It won’t stop until
Here’s a quick summary of what it is about: https://youtu.be/M6tsp4mFix8
This is a book published in 1997 which Putin was following and largely until full invasion of Ukraine everything was going smoothly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Ffs. Russia is not going to fight NATO. Why’d they attack Georgia in 2008? Answer: To prevent them from joining NATO. Why’d they attack Ukraine? Answer: to prevent them from joining NATO. Russia is not dumb enough to fight anything that can throw nukes, that’s why they’re preventing the NATO umbrella from covering (what they consider to be) their sphere of influence.
They didn’t plan to join NATO. Ukraine had a single digit percentage interest in NATO before crimea.
Russia doesn’t want Eastern European countries in NATO, because it makes it much harder to take them over.
NATO is a defensive alliance, and is no danger to Russia except for their imperialist goals. Best example of it is after Finland joined NATO Russia removed their troops from that border. That’s right Russia now has less troops there than they had when they were imaging Ukraine.
And one last thing: even if it was true, since when Russia can decide for sovereign nation who they form alliances with? The excuse to invade looks exactly as the same bullshit Nazi Germany invented with Poland (both claiming to save German minorities and also that was actually planning to invade Germany). They are not even original.
As much as I agree with your overall arguement, I just want to point out that the main reason why russia now has fewer troops along the finnish and norwegian border is because they needed to reinforce the donbass leather factory. If they had the resources, the manpower on the border would probably remain the same.
They didn’t plan to join NATO. Ukraine had a single digit percentage interest in NATO before crimea.
Moves were being made to join NATO back in 2008, but progress was shelved when pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych was elected. He was driven out of the country, Russia took Crimea, and then NATO seemed like a particularly good idea.
Russia doesn’t want Eastern European countries in NATO, because it makes it much harder to take them over.
I would also add that it takes them out of the Russian sphere of influence, which is Russia’s main concern. Why take over a country if they cooperate with you?
NATO is a defensive alliance, and is no danger to Russia except for their imperialist goals. Best example of it is after Finland joined NATO Russia removed their troops from that border. That’s right Russia now has less troops there than they had when they were imaging Ukraine.
Well, yes it’s defensive. No NATO country will attack Russia. However, I’d argue that Russia sees it as more than defensive. Each country that joins the alliance is one less country that Russia can dominate de facto. It’s militarily defensive, but that comes after an economic amd political offensive that removes the country from Russia’s influence. Now you might think, well, those countries entered that agreement voluntarily, and I’d say you’re correct, but Russia doesn’t care how it happened. They were taken from Russia as far as Russia is concerned.
I’d also argue that the troop removal from thr Finnish border may have more to do with needing troops in Ukraine than it would defending St Petersburg from Finland.
And one last thing: even if it was true, since when Russia can decide for sovereign nation who they form alliances with? The excuse to invade looks exactly as the same bullshit Nazi Germany invented with Poland (both claiming to save German minorities and also that was actually planning to invade Germany). They are not even original.
Well they did decide in 2008 in Georgia and they just did in Ukraine. Yes, their justification was mostly BS for domestic consumption, but that doesn’t really matter in the end. Other imperialist countries do this, like the US, China, France, etc, but they’re more subtle and you’re in the West’s media bubble, making it really hard to get an impartial source.
Their plan isn’t to fight NATO directly. It’s to instigate domestic political support in foreign countries against entities like NATO and the EU, and push nationalism and isolationism and defeatism into enough people’s heads so that the bigger countries think it isn’t worth fighting Russia to defend another smaller country that is not their own. It’s about killing the idea of article 5 and thus NATO’s reason to exist, so that Russia can confront each country on a bilateral basis where they have the military advantage if no one is coming to their defense.
This probably wont happen with an assault on a major urban area, but little chunks of unpopulated Finland or Norway. How willing would the American public be to send pilots to die for Lapland? If the major powers blink and don’t feel like committing, Russia continues to escalate, like they’ve been doing for the past 15 years
To be fair, Lapland contains Santa Clauses’ workshop.
Imagine the support the West would give to save Christmas.
/S
I see you watch Anders Puck Nielsen on Youtube. Ryan McBeth is also interesting.
That sounds like an extremely long-term plan, plus every action Russia would take in pursuit of this goal would be wildly counterproductive to the long-term, so I kind of doubt its true. For example, NATO just expanded in reaction to the Ukraine invasion.
If so, those were magnificent own goals. Ukraine wasn’t going to join nato until the little green men showed up, and Sweden and Finland didn’t want to join nato until the full scale invasion. Nato was languishing before all this happened, now they’re re-arming.
You’re mostly right, but in the interest of accuracy: Ukraine was making moves to join NATO way back in 2008, (possibly because of Russia’s invasion of Georgia) but plans were put on hold when pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych was president. Once a coup kicked him out of office and Russia seized Crimea, NATO membership became a high priority.
It wasn’t a coup. It was a revolution.
That really depends who you ask.
Ask Russians or their braindead boot lickers and it’s a coup - ask the people there fighting for their own country and against russification and it’s a revolution ;)
No, it depends on Definition and Wikipedia is a good start.
Horse Poo doesn’t get Chocolate Cream just because you ask someone else.
Russia is not dumb enough
I hope you’re right, they’ve been huffing the “NATO will be easy to defeat” propaganda for as long as NATO has existed
And in the process, more of their neighbors have now joined NATO or are supporting NATO with newfound effort.
If Russia is dumb enough to do that, they’re dumb enough to fight NATO.
Those countries were already well outside their sphere of influence. I don’t think they care.
And Ukraine wasn’t after they seized Crimea?
That seemed more like a reminder to Ukraine that they still were. Or perhaps it was something like, if you’re going to choose the EU over us, then we’re taking our naval base.
If the former, that should be something every anti imperialist gets outraged about.
To prevent them from joining NATO.
This is exactly why those countries should join NATO.
Unfortunately it’s much easier and faster for Russia to start a war than it is to join NATO. A country can’t join NATO if they’re at war or have border disputes.
Good point. But fortunately Russia won’t invade another country as long as it is still occupied in Ukraine, so all neighbouring countries that wish to remain independent should have applied to NATO by now.
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were smart to do this years ago, otherwise they would’ve been puppet states like Belarus already, since Putin would love to have a better connection between Kaliningrad and the mainland.
You are wrong because you don’t know what war they want to fight:
Anders Puck Nielsen - NATO-Russia war: Can it really happen?
lol, no.
I think at first it was the only goal, at least, for some years. They now have established war production that they aren’t just going to stop. The Russians have been sharpening their teeth in Ukraine. If Trump somehow wins the election NATO countries will be on the menu.
Seeing downvotes to obvious statements shows how this platform is being dominated by Russian trolls.
Even this post, you think about it, looks like part of a disinformation campaign, trying to imply that Russian aggression on Ukraine is somehow the West’s fault. Like if they drove their tanks there to just say hello, and Ukraine only waited for it to trap them inside.
They didn’t say anything about Ukraine, nor is that relevant to this discussion.
Where do you think the “WW3” in this meme came from?
The only thing you hear about WW3 is from Russian propaganda. Because I guess we will have Russia, Iran and North Korea vs rest of the world war.
That’s when they implement meat grinder tactics. You get trained, but no weapons. The weapons are deployed ahead of you on the front line; better get one quick before you die! Turn around and your own side shoots you first. People go in, meat comes out, and so the handle turns.
This is why you should arm yourselves.
As a veteran, I feel this. I wish I’d served crack instead too.
Why don’t Presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?
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You’re literally responding to song lyrics
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Fortunate Son was not about fighting Nazis.
Of course not. Millennials are too old and unless things kick off in the next couple years, gen z will be too.
What are we calling the generation below them? I’m really losing track nowadays.
Gen Alpha, they don’t have a nickname yet.
Gen A. They’re around middle school and younger now.
A whole generation of Forest Gump’s girlfriend?
Hey. This is a great joke. Thanks.
Top tier humor right there
It took me awhile to get it but I see what you did now
Not really. It could be all hands on deck, if you’re below 40 you’re in.
Millennials volunteered for Iraq.
That’s scary to know.
Gen x*
The oldest millennials were miltary service age in 2002.
Before World War I and World War II, many thought things would not escalate until we realised it was far too late. The British intelligence thought the assassination of Franz Ferdinand would only be contained regionally instead of escalating to a world war.
Most wars are class wars and most issues are class issues. But most people are not class conscious. The base tribalism is instead drummed up to distract us from the real root cause. We’re seeing the rise of the far right in many countries such as in Europe, US and India. Most of the rise of the right is due to influx of migrants, who are displaced by neocolonial foreign policies of corporate backed governments and capitalism-induced global warming.
PLENTY of people saw it coming. The majority of people didn’t give a fuck.
But most people are not class conscious.
I think you’d be surprised. Just most of us realize that socialists are ineffective at accomplishing anything. Simultaneously both naive and arrogant and too obnoxious to be able to create a movement most people would want to be a part of.
Simple truth of it is, in the long run we’re all dead anyway. Better to improve the system we have then wait around for socialists doing endless naval gazing dialectics over which ideological framework a stance on an issue would be in before then deciding whether they’re for it or against it.
We’ll all grow old and die before socialists do anything other than complain about how stupid the workers are for not appreciating in their genius.
Keynes > Marx
Biden > [Do socialists even have their shit together enough to even have a leader?]
You don’t have to be democratic socialist to be class conscious. You just have to be aware that much of inequality and injustices arises from growing wealth disparity.
The Bernie Sanders 1% thing isn’t something no one has heard before.
The problem with Bernie is he thinks democratic socialism is Scandinavian style democracy where free market still exists but heavily regulated. Most Americans confuse between social democracy and democratic socialism. And that turns off Americans with supporting more expansive welfare programs and regulations, aside from decades of broad anti-socialist propaganda.
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This must be a troll.
This sentiment of ‘I’m not going to fight’ is funny until the war actually starts. And then it’s either you fight early, or you fight late. Sometimes too late.
Wasn’t that amaricas strategy in the past 2 world wars. Like we basically just waited for everyone to wear echother down.
Until someone was like, check this MF out just sitting there, they’re just waiting it out for everyone else to wear each other down!
Incidentally, this was Russia’s plan, too. In fact, still is. We should really pounce on those fuckers while they’re weak.
that’s the main issue though, at least in the US, many citizens feel it would be better to have a complete clear of the entire country so they likely just wouldn’t fight if invaded, the amount of anarchists and just anti-government folk have been gradually rising ever since the pandemic. It doesn’t seem like health wise the country is doing well regardless of the economy status. It is super demoralizing seeing all the news platforms only focus on external wars or how the south is arguing over if it’s legal to jail someone over abortion that happend outside of state line, meanwhile a good portion of folk despite having one of the lowest unemployment rates in years is still living barely paycheck by paycheck. Most feel there’s just nothing they can do.
They don’t go far enough, we need a complete global makeover. What was that about a Great Reset? Isn’t that their idea? Because honestly it sounds pretty fucking good to me about now…
The USA probably has the most brainwashed people you could imagine, they’ll find all the canon fodder they need for their next war
I figured I’d just fuck off out of here before shit goes down. In fact I have no idea why I’m even living in this shithole instead of a paradise island. It costs about 1/10th as much, is tropical, beautiful, and so poor nobody would ever think of invading it. I don’t know about you but I can make that work.
Something tells me you’re from the USA. There are other Western governments, and other places that are arguably better (as in, more comfortable/safe) to live in. Many people have dependents, or things to loose that they value over one’s life.
So yeah, it may be an option for you but that beautiful tropical island won’t fit millions upon millions of people living in the collective West.
I try not to go too public with where I’m from online, and use multiple accounts and contradict myself just to fuzzle the algorithms.
But I am actually from an (allegedly) very stable and very democratic nation. Allegedly.
Things change, sometimes rapidly, but I’ve seen the writing on the wall for at least two decades now, and honestly I feel like I’m running out of time.
Actually committed now and moving in a few months, permanently. There is nothing left here, and the future is bleak.
(and apropos, I am most certainly not moving to any Western country, or any particularly developed one in the slightest. I think the West is about to find itself in an absolute shitstorm, and soon, and I am NOT getting caught in that crossfire)
You’d be amazed what some good old fashion propaganda will do for you.
The US was so gung-ho after 9-11 they accidentally attacked the wrong country. I know they didn’t have any problem getting troops or buy-in from the people of all ages. It was pretty disgusting how quickly your average citizen bought into the bull-shit the Bush administration was selling when it was obviously a lie.
The US was so gung-ho after 9-11 they accidentally attacked the wrong country.
“accidentally”. Lol.
“Accidentally”. That’s funny. Not only because there was more than one.
This might have happened. But the internet was still in its infancy, with only MSM having capabilities to stream live for the masses. Social media was limited to forums, BBS, news groups and similar, and they were really a niche.
Seeing all the raw footage of wartorn places on sites like Instagram and TikTok today, and even just sharing them in group chats is a whole new angle that wasn’t there before.
They touted the first Iraq war as the first fully televised war.
The MIC were so proud.
Except, unlike Vietnam, the media wasn’t able to to show our dead when they were returned home. So, not fully televised.
Very excellent point, perhaps the best point.
I thought Vietnam claimed that credit.
Dude I don’t make the metrics, all I know is that Iraq was in HD, or something. The whole war was very legal, very cool.
Yeah. For me it was the same with everyone cheering for Ukraine wanting to get into Nato and putting it in their Constitution even though it would never happen. And then everyone acting surprised when Russia invades after they said they would for years. It was so predictable that I can’t help but assume that it was a deliberate trap set for Russia. Russia is wrong, but it was predictable, inevitable. But everyone was suddenly so gung-ho that possible diplomatic solutions to end this senseless war were not demanded by “the left”. Still isn’t.
And kinda the same with Israel now, the Oct.7 was a horrible atrocity and war crime but they blatantly lied to make it sound even more horrible in order to dehumanize and justify the war crimes they are committing now. But so many on the left are still screaming death! and the news in my “progressive” country is reporting complete propaganda.
Gen-Z is presumably just as easy to brainwash for total war with the right propaganda. Or maybe they will grow up being more resistant to it.
when Russia invades after they said they would for years.
They absolutely didn’t. In fact, Putin ruled out war against Ukraine on many occasions, both before and after the invasions of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.
It was so predictable that I can’t help but assume that it was a deliberate trap set for Russia.
Up until the tanks crossed the border people didn’t believe Russia would invade because they couldn’t believe the Russians could be that stupid. To concoct a plot on such a massive scale with a payoff that relied on the rank idiocy of Russian command doesn’t seem very smart
Putin ruled out war against Ukraine on many occasions, both before and after the invasions of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.
Well…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
In December 2021, Russia advanced two draft treaties that contained requests for what it referred to as “security guarantees”, including a legally binding promise that Ukraine would not join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and a reduction in NATO troops and materiel stationed in Eastern Europe, threatening unspecified military response if those demands were not met in full. NATO rejected these requests, and the United States warned Russia of “swift and severe” economic sanctions should it further invade Ukraine.
Are you denying this happened?
Personally I thought these demands weren’t too outrageous. With the outright rejection it was clear to me that an invasion was very likely.
Weather it all “doesn’t seem smart” or “is stupid” doesn’t really matter. What is pissing me off though is that the US is doing things like that all the time except the “intellectuals” always listen to their reasons and repeat them. But if others act in the exact same way it’s just amoral. What bothers me isn’t so much the bigotry (one set of rules for us, another for the others), but that this way any attempt at peaceful diplomatic resolution is prevented. This makes it war propaganda. You want to negotiate with terrorists?
Really our western civilization hasn’t learned a damn thing.
December 2021 is two months before the invasion, not “years”, like you wrote previously. I agree that once the Russians stationed their army at the Ukrainian border and threatened to invade, that the invasion became fairly predictable.
Personally I thought these demands weren’t too outrageous.
Russia wanted to dictate the military movements and foreign policy of nine countries, otherwise they would attack a different country from those nine. I don’t believe anyone has ever tried to pull a more outrageous stunt. Those demands were meant to provide cover for aggression, not to start a negotiation. It worked on you.
the US is doing things like that all the time
The last time the USA waged a war to take territory from a neighbour was in 1848, nearly two hundred years ago, and I don’t think they’ve ever made demands of one country and then waged war on a completely different country when they weren’t met. They do not, in fact, do things like that all the time. You can object to a lot of what the USA does, but even at their worst, they don’t act like this.
For someone who criticizes others for accepting justifications for war, you sure are very accepting of justifications for war, provided the Russians are the ones doing the justifying.
Of course Russia is playing games but it’s a lie that the US and the western colonial powers don’t do the same thing. This is geopolitics. That’s is not moral relativism, it’s just historical facts.
If you are unwilling to negotiate and compromise with your enemy and rather go to war, then that’s a consequence based on your action.
And to justify this you need to adopt actual fascist ideology based on the myth that the US and Nato, when they do the exact same things, somehow have good reasons. Because we are “pure” and “moral”. But when others, “inferior” cultures do it it’s just terrorism or aggression. And they can’t be trusted so negotiation is useless.
I’m just shocked how well that propaganda still works. We haven’t learned a god damn thing.
If you are unwilling to negotiate and compromise with your enemy and rather go to war
Who went to war in Ukraine?
the US and Nato, when they do the exact same things, somehow have good reasons.
But they don’t do the exact same things. The USA and NATO don’t annex parts of other countries.
But they don’t do the exact same things. The USA and NATO don’t annex parts of other countries.
I was being generous, obviously the US is far worse in terms of body count, injuries, displaced people, devastation and ruined countries, regimes changed and democracies suppressed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States#21st-century_wars
Of course Russia sees Ukraine joining Nato as an act of aggression. They said this and that they won’t tolerate it. They said it over and over again. And Ukraine put it in their constitution and warmongers like Stoltenberg kept encouraging them. This was all put in motion in 2014 already.
You can say the war is worth it to not loose Crimea and in order to damage and isolate Russia. Ukraine certainly did think so, they wanted a permanent irrevocable break from any interference from Russia. They knew the war was coming and didn’t want to negotiate. Fine.
Personally I’d have preferred a compromise and have peace and a chance for improved relations later. Call me a pacifist.
Taiwan seems to be next on the agenda, since the US is gung ho on making it their “close military partner” in their strategy to encircle China. If you don’t learn from history you’re doomed to repeat it.
But everyone was suddenly so gung-ho that possible diplomatic solutions to end this senseless war were not demanded by “the left”. Still isn’t.
What diplomatic solution? Unless you’re selling parts of Ukraine for peace, which isn’t a long term plan, the only solution is Russia leaving.
Russia isn’t going to give Crimea / Sevastopol back, and they do have some legitimate claim to it.
If you’re unwilling to consider compromise to achieve a diplomatic solution you are making it inevitable that this will be decided through the use of war. And that is what I call “gung-ho”.
Also ironic that you’re talking about selling parts of Ukraine off for peace, because they are currently selling their whole country to the west for continued military aid. And they’ll definitely going to want to see a return on that investment. So foolish.
PS: Lol this reminds me how Quark basically said it best: https://youtu.be/hdQcGzbpN7s
they do have some legitimate claim to it.
They recognized it as part of Ukraine on independence and then reaffirmed it with the Budapest memorandum. They have no claim, it was naked aggression
They altered the terms of the deal. I think they expected to being able to keep their main fleet headquarters and have friendly relations with Ukraine, not a nato armed country on their doorstep 🤷
But this is the problem: You think that Russia should abide by moral arguments of right and wrong, while the US and Nato clearly isn’t. They are pursuing their own geopolitical agenda, but you judge them with two different sets of values. “Russia can’t be trusted because they are inherently evil! Diplomatic solutions are useless!”
The result is war, a country destroyed, many lives lost, many refugees, a century of debt and neo-liberalism for those that survive. That is the result. And there WAS a diplomatic solution on the table.
So Gen Z and Millennials are just as susceptible to cries for “total war” as all the stupid Muppets that came before them. So fuck you for being just as stupid as our generation 🤣
They did you know that Ukraine is one of the big bread baskets of the world? This might come in handy when climate change creates food insecurity. Luckily our motivations are purely altruistic and based on higher morality…
They altered the terms of the deal. I think they expected to being able to keep their main fleet headquarters and have friendly relations with Ukraine
This is incredibly revisionist. Ukraine very much wanted and tried to remain friendly with Russia, and Russia losing the lease on the ports was never in question before Russia invaded.
It was Putin who demanded Ukraine choose between Russia and Europe, and then invaded Crimea and the East when he didn’t like their choice.
and they do have some legitimate claim to it.
cool, cool, cool… so which part of your country would you be willing to shave off to an invading party on the promise that’s all they’ll take?
Puerto Rico? Now wait, Florida obviously.
As long as they are recruiting the dumbest and poorest from your failing high-schools you’ll always have enough for your wars.
I’ll defend my country, but I’m not going to engage in an armed conflict overseas.
IMO, as long as it’s not directly threatening me and my life, then I will simply see another WW as old people who are angry at other old people, sending me off to die for their grudge.
No thanks chief. Stick me in prison if you’re so inclined but I’m not about to kill some poor kid I’ve never met and I don’t have anything against, just because you can’t use your words.
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Where does the line for “directly threatening” go tho?
Basically two things: if there’s combat happening on my countries land, and if there’s a well known intent to bring the fighting to my country.
Millennial here. Can confirm, I’ll be staying home and doing my own thing. One live isn’t worth more then another and I’m not going to war. If you’re going to put me in jail because I refuse, then maybe I need to find a different country to live in.
On the very off chance they restarted the draft, there are tons of reasons the Pentagon would fight conscription, make sure you know asylum procedures or have the stuff ready to immigrate. Run don’t try to just ignore the draft.
They, the last time they did the draft, didn’t just throw normies into jail, they grabbed them then kicked them over to the military and then if you ran away and got brought back after being AWOL they just deployed you and let happen what happened, regulars frequently discovered that these sorts had… uhh… “accidents” at a more frequent rate.
Millennial here, I’m pushing 40, you wouldn’t want me even if I was willing to fight.
Well in times of desperation they probably don’t care. If it’s real bad it’s not “can you hold a gun?” it’s “can you take a bullet?”
Anyway, just do a Ted Nugent. Take as many drugs as you can and shit yourself.
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Yeah, remember, Hitler pressed kids and elderly men into fighting when the Red Army was marching on Berlin. Desperation leads to that kind of madness.
then maybe I need to find a different country to live in
I was born and raised in Germany and never changed my foreign citizenship, it was always on the bucket list. My husband immigrated in 2019, and since 2022 I am freaking out at the thought that we would change citizenship. Being a foreign citizen sucks sometimes, but in case of war it is extremely beneficial. Avoid drafting at home, avoid drafting where you live.
So, moving in case of a war would be more than beneficial, you just got to do it early on, before they close borders. We had friends dropping everything and packing just their cat and passports the same night Russia attacked Ukraine.
All the other comments seem to be about the US. I’m not sure how Canada will be in time of war but I agree with you. Being a foreign citizen is worth it. If I’m to leave, id go to The Netherlands but I really do not want to leave Canada.
The longer this shit goes on, the more I’m starting to worry. I hope it ends soon.
The first gun they’ll give me I’ll aim at myself and be done with it.
You can aim it at your commanding officer first!
Ah the Afghani strategy.
Throwing a grenade in a CO’s tent is a tradition from Vietnam, and I’m hoping it makes a come back.
Fragging.
RIP Pat Tillman.
Turkish firearms have a protection on the trigger to prevent you from committing die
Where there’s a will there’s a way.
Personally I’d choose a grenade pressed against my skull. No chance of survival when your brain is quite literally puréed
Good point, grenade it is.
Interesting, how would that work? An extra trigger you need to press before it fires which you can’t reach? That would seem like a hassle on the battlefield, if that safety would make it even the tiniest bit more difficult to fire when an enemy approaches.
It’s this triangle beyond the trigger that prevents you from accessing it if you’re facing down the barrel
My kid doesn’t particularly want to fight, but she’s ok with guns and convinced anarchy will be good for the environment?! Idk, she’s not dumb, but these kids have less stake in the institutions than MAGA retirees…
Does she mean “anarchy” or Anarchism, a stateless classless society based on voluntary associations?
She means whatever The Last Of Us was
A fascist dystopia.
Mini fascist dystopias separated by huge unpopulated re-naturalized areas.
Well if you are talking about purely helping the environment, at the cost of human societies, maybe that situation would be better for the earth overall lol
The fact they will never have the chance to enter the ownership class keeps manifesting in new and interesting ways in the media, at their jobs, in their schools, amongst their social circles. The decline in availability of material wealth destabilizes all.
Yall ever seen Daybreakers? It’s kinda corny but it feels more relevant every day.
convinced anarchy will be good for the environment
glances at Haiti’s environment
I’m not feeling it.
Haiti was a slave rebellion that provoked the fear and ire of generations of wealth.
Long after the rebellion, modern Haiti is a lawless nightmare, complete with natural disaster inflicted devastation and chronic foreign occupation.
I’ll take the strict authorizatism of Japan or the brutal backwards theocracy of Florida over that kind of anarchy.
I think they probably meant some form of anarchisme
So…they are going to send gen x and gen alpha?
Gen X here, fuck that noise.
We’re too old. There’s a reason they recruit high schoolers. They don’t have enough life experience to know when they should say, “with all due respect sir, fuck that,” when given an unlawful order. Also they know we are more likely to kill the officers if we decide to go out.
I mean, recruit the gen x to be the officers and the gen alpha gamers to pilot the combat androids and drones.
pilot the combat androids
I’m convinced this near-future sci-fi bullshit exists as a means of suckering in 19-year-olds who think they won’t be in the trenches getting mortars dropped on their heads.
Like this tactic is even new, just replace “near-future sci-fi” with “DnD + American Gladiators” and you have the same dumb shit but 25 years ago
Oh man. I remember watching that during Saturday morning cartoons as a kid. Pretty bonkers, but still not as crazy as the creepy texts military recruiters would send high schoolers.
Cannon fodder will be gen z and millennials /s
don’t worry, I hear there are a bunch of states in the US that are readying the next batch with moms who died from birth complication, unwanted babies, etc.
Ask Nicolae Ceaușescu what happens next.
Uhm, doofus, nobody’s gonna fight in ww3.
Bombs get launched and we ALL die, that’s how ww3 is faught.
It’s frightening how little the younger generations understand about nuclear war.
There have been plenty of wars fought in the age of nuclear weapons that, strangely enough, have not resulted in the use of nuclear weapons. There’s a few of them going on right now, in fact!
Not directly between nuclear powers though.
Which nuclear powers do you foresee entering into direct conflict in a theoretical WW3 scenario based on current conditions?
I don’t see how the current geopolitical climate results in any of those coming into direct conflict rather than just continuing to wage thinly veiled proxy wars. The only WW3 scenario I can imagine right now looks more like an intensification of the current situation.
I do not see any world wars happening anytime soon either, given a somewhat rational (read non-suicidal) leadership of key nations. The original comment you responded to said that none would survive a nuclear total war, to which you replied that there have been wars fought in the nuclear age. This is true, even to the point of proxy wars between nuclear powers. However, they are not world wars, for which I think the original comment’s argument holds true. In effect the idea is that a world war would almost by definition have some nuclear power on either side.
If a world war can only exist between nuclear powers then does the first one (and most of the second) not count?
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Me looking at the handful of declassified missile defense sites and wondering what shit we have that isn’t known.
Yeah… it’ll just be that simple Mr. Armchair General.
NATO gets assailed and everybody responds, which is the whole point. That’s an unwanted fission excess immediately.
