• SatanicNotMessianic
      686·
      8 months ago

      I only see this argument made by conservatives. It is a deliberate attempt to drive a racist and LGBT-phobic wedge between the white working class and the Democratic Party. I have never seen a progressive person demand less support for the rights of minorities.

      I also favor raising the minimum wage, making universities free to attend, and having universal healthcare - but LGBT rights aren’t the reason we don’t have those things. The GOP is the reason we don’t have those things, and it’s not like if the Dems said “Fuck it, arrest and kill the gays” that the GOP would suddenly support workers’ rights.

      If you want to help the poor, vote out the party that says shit like this.

      • Transporter Room 3@startrek.website
        174·
        8 months ago

        Conservatives, and useful idiots.

        The only people I see claiming both sides are the same are people who have interest in either democrats failing as a party, or the whole country failing and collapsing in general.

    • Murvel@lemm.ee
      1857·
      8 months ago

      Mhm of course! Third year into the Democrat administration and wealth inequality in the US keep reaching new staggering heights.

      • NABDad@lemmy.worldEnglish
        385·
        8 months ago

        Hmmm … and which party is running the House of Representatives that had the record for getting less done than any other in the history of the country?

        • Murvel@lemm.ee
          529·
          8 months ago

          You keep telling yourselves; it’s the other teams fault! All the while the situation is only geting worse and worse for the working class

          • ryry1985@lemmy.world
            165·
            8 months ago

            That’s exactly what you’ve done in the first place. A lot of these issues you all do this over are not even short term issues but long term ones that no single administration has that much control over. Stop with the BS hyperbole and actually think for your damn self. We are living in a pseudo democracy masking a plutocracy. You’re too busy playing their game so we won’t unite. They keep getting richer while the rest of us suffer and fight over stupid shit.

  • madcaesar@lemmy.world
    8913·
    8 months ago

    You know who posts boTh sIdEs memes? Republicans trying to distract you from the shit they are doing.

  • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
    543·
    8 months ago

    It’s sad to see this up voted so much right under an article about democrats trying to provide free community college.

    • nifty@lemmy.worldOP
      1913·
      8 months ago

      I feel bad for posting this now because I wasn’t trying to make false equivalencies. Unequivocally, I find that someone identifying as a Democrat politician is more likely to be progressive and humanitarian than one identifying as a Republican politician.

      I am not sure the demeanor of the Democratic Party in general has anything to do with intrinsic ideology because many party members used to be against gay marriage in the 90s. It’s a good thing that one party (Democrats) is open to changing itself according to public will, which is what you’d want in a representative democracy.

      What this means to me is that you shouldn’t take party demeanors for granted, and keep pushing for the change you want.

      Edit: so yeah, if you don’t want four years of conservatives breaking all progressive pillars of society, go out and fucking vote!!

    • Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net
      181·
      8 months ago

      I take it back, that poor unionist on the right is about to receive a maximum power Biden Blast

      • chuckleslord@lemmy.world
        281·
        8 months ago

        And then got them the sick days they were looking for after all of it. Listen, I don’t agree with strike busting, but going back after to get the workers what they need is laudable. His brain is rotted by neoliberalism, but he is trying.

        I have no idea what tone I’m trying to convey here, and I find that funny.

      • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
        16·
        8 months ago

        You’re forgetting that Republicans have NEVER supported unions and would jail every pro union worker if they could. Biden being anti union is suddenly the same as every Republican ever being anti union?

        • Mario_Dies.wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          42·
          8 months ago

          No, but I sure wish we had better choices. It’s like someone giving you a choice between a meal of poison and one of shit logs.

          I’ll vote, but can’t say I feel too great about our shitty system that leads us to such a dark place.

  • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
    5012·
    8 months ago

    Election time, so of course there’s these “both sides” bullshit posts that will try to tell you that Donald Trump is somehow the better choice, cause he at least stares you in the eyes while he fucks you.

    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
      121·
      8 months ago

      Right, we need to be organizing, protesting, and working to destroy the current power structure.

      • graveyardchickenhunt@lemmy.world
        323·
        8 months ago

        Criticizing is great, putting it like OP with “they’re the same, democrats just put on a hat” is dishonest and reductionist. This kind of thing actively causes harm and plays into the hands of the party that’s objectively worse for anyone that’s not rich.

      • theonyltruemupf@feddit.de
        201·
        8 months ago

        US citizens need to destroy the first past the post voting system. It’s fucked and undemocratic and it needs to be replaced.

        • Square Singer@feddit.de
          5·
          8 months ago

          The problem is that only people who came into power using the current system would have a chance to change the system. And why would anyone want to change the system that brought them to power?

          • Timwi@kbin.social
            4·
            8 months ago

            This is broadly true, but it’s not completely unheard-of for systems to change despite this.

              • Timwi@kbin.social
                2·
                8 months ago

                Yeah, unfortunately. But let’s think positive! How many such events in history can we think of that went relatively violence-free? I can think of two off the top of my head:

                1. The end of apartheid in South Africa. All they did was to force them to free Nelson Mandela, who then promptly got elected. No major government overthrow.

                2. East Germany. After the fateful press conference that caused everyone to storm the border crossings, the government basically accepted that their economy could no longer hold up, and they disbanded without a fight.

                3. Honorable mention: The disbanding of the Soviet Union within Russia. There have certainly been violent revolutions in the other socialist republics, but Russia didn’t need one because Yeltsin could just declare Russia independent from the Soviet Union.

                Are there others I missed?

                • Square Singer@feddit.de
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  All of these happened in the wake of major crises.

                  Apartheit in South Africa ended, because of massive protests in the country (including violence), massive international pressure (the UN labelled apartheit as crime against humanity and lots of countries banned imports from South Africa), and the South African economy was collapsing due the price of gold dropping a lot.

                  East Germany collapsed because of massive economic problems. Storming the border crossings was just the last push. If that would have happened 10 years earlier, the police would just have shot the first row of people trying to cross the border and the rest would have fled. The DDR was already collapsing at that point. And the press conference that caused the storm on the border crossing was actually about East Germany opening the border in a month’s time. So even without the storm on the border crossings, the same thing would have happend, just a month later.

                  The Sovjet Union, again, collapsed due to economic problems. Their economiy completely collapsed and with it their power over all the different SSRs. Russia, being the largest and most powerful SSR, being able declaring itself independent of all these other countries that really didn’t want to be part of the USSR without having to use violence is really not surprising.

                  It’s kinda as if Great Brittain declared itself independent of the Brittish Empire.

                  All these situations you mentioned where already under way for a decade or so, before the events you mentioned did the last push. And all of them where only possible to massive crises.

          • theonyltruemupf@feddit.de
            3·
            8 months ago

            I’m not sure I get you point.

            This article is very US centric and it only talks about (the obvious) flaws in the US system. Other democracies might not be perfect, but many don’t have the problems mentioned there.

            We could completely abolish any system of government, but cooperating in societies of thousands and millions of people would be close to impossible.

    • sic_1@feddit.de
      1413·
      8 months ago

      That’s what happens when you only have the choice between neo liberal and extreme right.