No matter how expensive a home sim you make, it won’t ever get be even a quarter of what an actual entry amateur plane costs to buy and maintain. It’s not even the plane itself either, it’s all the recurring costs like storage, maintenance, spare parts, fuel, certification fees, taxes, etc. The only cheap flight option for a recreational pilot is bushcraft light planes. And they will still cost more than the sim setup, while you’ll only be able to fly it on certain places, during certain weather, at certain times of the year. The rest of the time you’ll still have to pay all the storage and maintenance fees. Planes are incredibly expensive.
Yeah, you’ll be able to actually use it when life allows you, vs restructuring your whole life around being able to fly.
Now we just need one for where millionaires think their work is saving the world. Apparently the city building sims aren’t sufficient.
Well they keep triggering tornadoes and alien attacks and shit.
Plus I’m afraid of heights.
I have some fear of heights and for some reason it doesn’t get triggered when flying on a plane, even on a prop-plane a km or two above the ground.
High up in tall buildings or mountain or coastal cliffs, sure, planes, not at all.
It’s not exactly rational.
If you’re not actually afraid of flying when on a commercial flight, I bet you won’t either when at the commands of a poky prop-plane.
There’s heights and there heights. The common fear is of heights that are large enough for a fall to cause serious injury, and not too large to be out of range for biological fall protection
I used to be afraid of heights, but trained myself out of it as an adult. I had trouble abseiling, walking on elevated walkways, standing near windows in tall buildings
Three things I never had a height problem with:
- Front seat of a plane (or any other seat, for that matter)
- Basket of a balloon
- On top of a tall hill
I looked into getting a pilots license and a plane once thinking maybe it would be more fun than flying commercial.
The license to fly just a dinky Cessna would be expensive af and I would only be able to afford a Cessna from 1982 or some shit anyway AND they only have a range of like 300 miles or some shit.
To actually go anywhere beyond my state I’d need a private jet license which is even more expensive takes a while and WAY outside of affordability.
Ah well guess I’m stuck driving or flying commercial
I fucking love the dedication people put into their sin rigs. Their joy makes me so happy, even more so when it’s related to their real work. This guy is a trucker and recreated his entire cabin for his American Trucker sim. He’s my fucking hero: https://youtube.com/shorts/EmpAJR5lNuQ?si=Z324Z-M_pGG_9Bp-
sin rigs
Let me guess, it comes in 50 shades of grey
Wet rental?
Wet lease? Yeah, clubs and leasing are an accessible option but depends on what you want to do. Flying a tiny 182 Cessna, sure will be as much as a nice Sim setup. For one flight, at $200 an hour, roughly 25 hours of flight or thereabouts and you’re already over the price of the simulator.
Fly commercial jets, like the one this picture is simulating? No way. A small Citation jet starts at $50k a month. That’s probably already 5 times the cost of equipment in that photo. And you can fly the big birds and do crazy stuff with them in the sim.
Indeed.
Back when I was making extra good money I got some flying lessons and started dreaming about it and eventually figured out the costs (bad enough the upfront ones, way worse the running costs) for a shitty-shit plane that wasn’t even exciting to fly.
Also the physical setup in the picture looks like it’s emulating large commercial passenger planes (don’t really know enough to guess which, though) and those planes cost millions of dollars.
All that hardware and then just… a chair.
Not to mention the Ikea table.
They’re probably saving up to build a motion simulation rig.
And only one monitor too. Would have expected 3-4 to give a better view.
VR headset would be best view but then they couldn’t see all the fancy controls around them.
Even better if they could do it with AR. Then they could blend the controls with the view.
I love ar in flight sims, moving your head to move the camera view across the huge amount of instruments is so nice when youve got hands on the stick and throtle and both feet in the rudder pedals.
Depends on the sim. A good example would be Elite Dangerous. Buy the right HOTUS, put it in the right place, and when you don the headset, you see the controls you have.
Yeah you ain’t gonna be buying a plane if you’re using the cheapest office chair you found at a thrift store.
Unless this is to help save up for said plane.
Let’s leave the chair out of this!
No neon trim and no cup holder even. Probably the kind of guy that wants to fight you if you call a flight Sim a game.
This is exactly what I was looking at. What the hell is with that?
Guy probably could have purchased an entire office worth of chairs with the money he spent on all that gear… He didn’t even bother to get one decent chair?
That’s money he could have spent on more buttons and panels.
Yes, because, as we all know, real pilots don’t use chairs…
They were making the point that it looks like a chair you would pick up for free on the side of the road as part of a multi thousand dollar flight sim
They were making the point
That’s debatable.
Most people mention the costs of owning aircraft vs a sim, but there’s another possible reason: health. People come in different shapes and forms and not everyone who loves aviation is able to get II or even III medical class. So flight simulation is their only option to be a “pilot”.
I mean, on VATSIM (popular aviation simulation network) there’s a group of visually impaired people who have made a special interface so they can fly an aircraft even though they can’t see!
Simulation (of any kind) gives many people what they can’t get in any other way. And as with any other hobby, as long as it’s not damaging to other aspects of your life, let people enjoy what they want
Wait, that’s super fucking cool. Do you have a link to the way they’re able to fly blind?
Oh God damnit. You got me. I busted up laughing.
I needed a giggle at work happy to do it.
But for real there’s a bunch of stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TecHPonwJxQ
To go along with this is also risk to one’s health and potentially death.
53 per 100,000 pilots was the death rate amongst pilots in 2018 according to The University of Delaware .
This doesn’t sound like a lot, until you consider it was the #2 most dangerous occupation in the US that year.
Behind #1 Loggers (111 per 100k) and ahead of #22 Police Officers (14 per 100k).
So it’s one thing to have a flight sim rig and at worst fall off your chair. A whole another thing to potentially make a mistake in an actual plane and pay the price with your life.
Adding a bit to that: you can do all sorts of stupid maneuvers in a simulation with zero consequence, like doing a barrel roll with an Airbus Beluga.
Plus, there are combat flight sims.
The double-standard on display here is just disgusting. Sure, it’s perfectly fine to modify your home entertainment system into a fake airplane but I try a little remodeling to make work feel more like home and it’s all “security will escort you off the premises” and “we’re taking away your pilot’s license”. Boils my blood.
I know, right?
Modified your PC into a flight sim and no one bat an eye.
Modified your cockpit into a gaming rig and everyone losses their mind.
AITA for asking my wife to respect my title a pilot?
I need the opinions of avgeeks and pilots on a matter involving my wife. I AM COMPLETELY SERIOUS AND I NEED HELP. /srs
My wife and I (together for 5 years, married for 2, no kids) have an amazing, happy relationship. I can’t recall a single time we’ve ever argued to the point of a breakup or divorce. This issue, however, is causing me to reconsider the health of our relationship. Since my wife and I have been together, I have worked as a manager for a restaurant chain. I am an extremely passionate aviation enthusiast in my free time. I have spent thousands of dollars on flight textbooks, sim gear, and even built my own a330 setup. I have never actually flown a plane or started flight training, but I have considered it for a long time. Even though my skills are not a career, I still consider myself as adept or possibly more knowledgeable than the average pilot.
That being said, here’s where the problem arises. My wife and I were invited to one of her male coworkers house for a barbecue. My wife is a senior software tech for a Covid startup. She’s worked there since 2020, a lucky catch after she was laid off from her previous job due to the virus. It was my first time meeting many of her now-close coworkers due to Covid and working from home. I had assumed she’d talked about me before, but as we were cycling through introductions I became less sure. We make our way down the line to the host of the party, a new male hire that she has grown platonically close with. We exchange casual conversation and Greg (host) asked what I do for a living. My wife chimes in with “He manages a [insert fast food chain], it certainly comes with some benefits (I’m assuming she’s referring to free food)”, in a voice that implied nothing was wrong with what she said. I very quickly corrected her and told him that I am a pilot. My wife already knows how insecure I am about my job and how I’d much rather be introduced by my hobby. I’ve earned the title of pilot through my 500+ hours on and sim and thousands of dollars put into my craft. I think it is incredibly disrespectful for her not to acknowledge my skills and training. Just because I don’t have the title of pilot on an overpriced piece of paper doesn’t mean I’m not a pilot.
I laughed it off with Greg, told him under my breath that my wife was often forgetful (which I’m sure he’s realized just from working with her). He seemed to brush it off casually. At this point, I’m fuming, but I don’t go much farther than exchanging some nasty glances at my wife for the rest of the night. As we pack into the car to leave, the argument starts. She feels as if I don’t deserve my title as a Pilot because I’m not professional. I told her she is completely insensitive to the work i’ve done and she will never understand what it’s like to study so much. She’s currently on the couch as I type this. Am I really the asshole for asking to be respected?
Lmao how fucking niche but relevant
I just looked it up, FAA would require 1500 hours flight time, only 50 of which can be sim time, so this copypasta character is stupid both if you know and if you don’t know.
This is fantastic.
Wow. What a jerk off.
IMO, sounds a lot like someone trying to claim they’re a military officer after playing enough COD, or even after spending time at a range and playing thousands of hours of airsoft or something.
If you want to have a title, like pilot, go do the work and testing and fucking earn it.
That’s just a mid-range setup. The real simmers have at least 3 monitors.
Monitors are probably the cheapest part of a flight sim setup too
Real simmers have a VR headset and one of those human gyroscope things that spins on 3 axes.
You mean a head?
No a penis.
Man, at some point it might be cheaper to buy a plane.
A plane. A cheap, 2-4 seat prop plane. A full sim rig can fly ANY PLANE and spaceships too!
I am not in any way a sim gamer of any of these sorts. My inputs are keyboard, mouse, or controller. And I suck at everything I play, and I try to limit my gaming time (and expenditures on gaming).
But I kind of get it, you know?
I would love to work on a project to build a thing that could reconfigure itself to match any existing cockpit. That would be sick. Maybe like a bunch of self-arranging robot building blocks and each has a different kind of switch or dial. Or each one can simulate it, hopefully in 3D with force feedback. They crawl into position and lock arms to form the cockpit. Send a command and the F-16 rearranges itself into an airbus 380. Or a corvette.
I see you dying in an accident testing the g-force simulator you built. 😁
Do a Magneto and target the iron in people’s blood. A little electromagnetic field play, and suddenly your body “weighs” 8 times the normal amount.
That or manipulate the inner ear fluid somehow.
But I feel like the sense of really flying and being able to go places would be far more rewarding. Even if it is just a prop plane.
You’re probably one of these people who likes to go outside instead of playing localcarsimulator 4000
A real plane would be most definitely satisfying in its own way, but Sim planes let you perform crazy maneuvers, fly places you wouldn’t be allowed to in real life, and fly aircraft that you would never even get a chance to see. Not to mention, the whole threat of death with real life flying.
Really good points that you bring up. I can agree with you fully now. Especially on the point of being able to do crazy tricks at no threat to your own real safety.
Yeah but I won’t die in a sim rig unless that panel falls and crushes me to death
Do you know how much it costs to annual a Cessna 172? You could build 3 of these rigs a year for what the aviation equivalent of a 1988 Toyota Camry costs to maintain and fuel.
This. A full sim rig still costs a lot less than an actual plane, plus it runs on electricity and not leaded petrol so it won’t send you loopy at 60.
For what it’s worth, avgas is going lead free, and there’s already unleaded options.
First time I got into one, this was my exact reaction: wtf this thing is like a 1980s corolla turned onto an aircraft. I was sure I’d get killed in that rickety pos.
Only a single monitor, and then it’s not even an ultrawide?
What kind of a low-rent setup is this?
The Alienware ultra wide oled is one of the biggest upgrades I’ve ever felt when upgrading my computer. Absolute game changer.
The FAA and similar entities won’t let pilots do all the fun and crazy shit they want to do that they can do in sim games.
Try buzzing a neighborhood in your plane, watch how fast you lose your pilots license, much safer doing this stuff in a sim.
I’m doing the same with my work from home set-up. I even have a mannequin dressed up as a “boss” who hovers at my shoulder while I try to get stuff done .
“boss” who hovers at my shoulder while I try to get stuff done
A cat would also work for this.
Should upgrade to a sex doll so you can rage fuck it when your boss pisses you off.
I’d say good chance this guy does have a plane.
I’d put money that he has at least a small plane. I work in the motorcycle industry and there’s a large overlap between pilots and motorcycle riders for some reason. Quite a few private pilots have pretty well set up flight sim rigs at home. Not to this extreme, but most have the basics for running MS Flight Simulator
“pilots and motorcycle riders for some reason”
The suicide drive is strong. Also, I blame top gun.
The two people I know with a pilot license also love motorcycles and top gun. Also cocaine.
TbF who doesn’t love cocaine and top gun?
I work in the motorcycle industry and there’s a large overlap between pilots and motorcycle riders for some reason.
I got a single neighbor who has two different cars, a bunch of e-scooters, and builds different e-bikes constantly in his garage. Some people are just enthusiastic about modes of transportation I think…
Pilots and sports car owners too. Tbh I think pilots just like to go fast, on the air or on the ground
Doing a PPL and I’m already considering getting at least a scooter. Easy and fast transport to the bumfuck nowhere area of the airport we fly from, I need to go regularly but never take any pax.
It just works.
So they can fly the planes they want
Planes are expensive AF to maintain
After Gran Turismo came out, the local computer store put up a rig. It was over 7K. Holy crap.
I bet this cost more than that.
Imagine what a real car costs
I once bought a more or less running car for $50.
For that price, I’m gonna go with “more running.” As in, “I’ve been doing more running because my car doesn’t work.”
It was able to get onto the trailer under it’s own power, and I drove it to work the following Monday… it needed a water pump to be “driveable” but I ended up doing a few other things to the car. It was an old Geo Metro and I wanted one to tinker with. I spent about $600 getting the car like I wanted it.
For $50 running is how you move it.
New or used?
I just download my cars.
You wouldn’t!
Racing sims can get crazy. Full wrap around monitors, motion rigs, load cell pedals. You can buy all the same equipment that F1 racing teams use, provided you’re willing to drop six figures.
That said, there’s some top sim racers that have a Logitech wheel clamped to a desk.
I was shocked. I didn’t even know it was a thing.
Why so few monitors??
Lol first thing I thought of, 4/10, cool control panels, but not even a large curved display
Fuck curved display. You either build a dome or you have three large displays (TVs) arranged in a 270 degree square around you.
I’m going to take a guess that this sim setup is mainly for IFR or instrument flying. I know some people that do virtual airline stuff and they follow real life as closely as they can, so after taking off its auto-pilot on and using instruments for navigation instead of visual landmarks.
The $20 chair is definitely a statement of priorities and my favorite part of the image.
It’s not even a full motion setup, you can go way more expensive and still be cheaper than an actual plane
