Greetings everyone! Daniel here, I’ve been working on Linkwarden part-time over the past few months.
Linkwarden is a self-hosted, open-source collaborative bookmark manager to collect, organize and archive webpages.
Key features:
- 📸 Preserve webpages as Screenshot, PDF, etc. So you can access them even if they are taken down.
- 👥 Collaborative, so you can share your collections with your friends and colleagues. You can also make them public and share them with the world.
- 📱 Designed for every screen size, from widescreen monitors down to smartphones.
- ⚡️ Open source and fully self-hostable!
- ✨ And so many more features! (Literally, just didn’t want to make this post too long. Check out the Github repo and Website for more info…)
If you like what we’re doing, you can support the project by either starring ⭐️ the repo to make it more visible to others or by subscribing to the Cloud plan (which helps the project, a lot).
Things like mobile app (PWA) are already on the project roadmap and I’m so excited to share them with you in the future.
Feedback is always welcome, so feel free to share your thoughts!
Website: https://linkwarden.app
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Cool app at first glance!
I always wonder why some open source projects choose discord and not matrix?
Matrix is cool but its user base is not there yet.
Then stop driving people to discord alone, at least use both so there’s an option
So… split the user (and support) base while invariably emphasizing the shortcomings of Matrix?
You can link them together at least that’s how the discord and matrix chats are for our instance are. I can chat from discord and get replies from people in matrix
Ah, I was not aware of a way to bridge two channels/servers entirely. I know there are bots that people use to bridge their user accounts though.
If it is fully seamless? Sure. But I don’t know why you are bothering then. But if it adds a “Bot” tag or any other hoops, you are still just making a worse experience for everyone. We ran into this back in the IRC days all the time.
Of course it isn’t seamless, but I have seen good and bad implementations.
You can create a webhook in Discord and in Matrix that will share messages in channels back and forth
it’s a lot to ask people to do two of everything all the time. Plus if none of your friends are on it it’s hard to find the motivation.
The issue is basically an inverse of the “network effect.” Ultimately if your friends and colleagues are not in a space, you are most likely not going to invest the resources because how you also have to advocate for them to swap to a platform with 1) the exact same thing they’re already getting (almost always with less functionality/compatibility) but 2) none of their friends or colleagues. And if you don’t invest the resources, then people are not going to go. It’s a chicken/egg problem with no easy solution, except generally API tools that make flipping over seamless. And with the way the web is going now, that door is starting to close as well.
Thx for the good explanation yet I will make an account on website xy for support or connect with the people that use the product.
Matrix isn’t some very nieche buggy thing anymore. A lot of people are using it daily and I rarely see any open source app/project that doesn’t use matrix.
Oh yeah for sure man, I completely understand that effect. I’ve tried switching to guilded from discord and while yeah it’s ultimately better than discord, it’s a pain in the ass when people just outright refuse to move platforms because muh convenience… but if that’s to change we need to stop using discord as the primary communication method when it could just be a backup or something similiar.
I’m on my last straw with discord, most of my friends have even said they’re going to leave discord if they keep up like this, or if they end up paywalling previously-free features.
Nobody said to do two of everything, having more than one chat app is common nowadays and it seriously isn’t a hassle for the end-user.
I’d imagine the biggest issue there is simply moderation but there’s gotta be a way that can be figured out by somebody right? Just gotta expose enough people to an issue and somebody will eventually figure out a potential solution.
Yeah, I definitely feel you there. I’ve been trying to get some friends to move over to revolt but no success yet lol
Never even heard of revolt lol, maybe that’s part of the issue… where’s that one xkcd comic about standards when ya need it
Likewise, I’ve never heard of guilded lol so you’re definitely on to something.
Also, I should’ve asked if you were familiar with the network effect instead of going on a soapbox about it. Sorry about that. I have a bad habit of monologuing.
By that logic, why are you on lemmy?
And I’m on matrix too, but I’m just an individual. If I were trying to advertise my project I’d probably use discord / reddit as well tbh
Why not both?
Also, if all projects advertised only the largest platforms, how would small platforms grow?
Yup why both both
Discord and matrix are not searchable, they shouldn’t be used at all
That’s a client issue, not a protocol issue
not a protocol issue
It is. There’s no way for search engines to join all the servers and index them all, thus there’s no way to efficiently find information on them without already being there.
Are you talking about crawlers not being able to index matrix messenges?
It’s not a website, there’s no chat that’s being indexed by crawlers, afaik.
You could index them if you wanted.
A chat is meant to be ephemeral. Unlike with a forum where it is a goal to have long lasting information sharing.
Usually you want to things for a project, one forum and one chat. The chat is more informal and not meant to replace a proper forum. You can basically chit chat in a chat but not in a forum.
The problem is many people are using them like forums, so a lot of potentially useful info is lost (which is more of an user issue than anything else)
That’s the problem, discussions should happen on the open web, not hidden in chatrooms
There’s nothijg hidden on matrix. You can verify yourself, go to the space of Nextcloud, GNOME, KDE, OPENSUSE, FEDORA, flatpak, neo store, libretube, etc. Nothing is hidden.
it’s not literally hidden, but it’s not easily searchable because since it’s a chat, it’s not indexable on search engines. A forum is a better solution to avoid the same questions being asked 1000x and to expose great solutions and advices.
I wonder why they don’t just set up a forum
Perhaps they could create a community on programming.dev
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matrix.org works just fine. Nowadays, the experience is as good as on any other chat app
Element is the thing that’s subpar (to be generous) compared to other chat apps. Element X is better for the features that have been implemented, but the current feature set is very incomplete.
Mobile yes, desktop isn’t subpar ime
Even desktop is more resource heavy than it should be. But yes, mobile is much worse.
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Element on iOS is absolutely, definitely, slow!
Desktop is better or worse or the same?
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I think Matrix suffers from some issues with large communities, for instance Graphene OS has already had to abandon 2-3 of their main group chats due to same bug and last time I checked (2-3 months ago) there has even been talks of switching to Discord. That is, just in case, a community of some of the most diehard privacy nerds btw
Even cooler page to sell you on the app. Very smooth gifs
Gifs are the USP
probably because Discord is more widespread than Matrix
Is there the potential for SingleFile html archives rather than pdf & screenshots? I’d imagine it’d be a fair bit smaller file.
Or other standard archiving formats like WARC.
There also is https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox which looks a bit similar.
Thank you for including oAuth options for sign on. Makes a big difference being able to use the same account for all the things like freshRSS, seafile, immich etc.
I’m intrigued. How does it work? Do you have a link or an article to point me to?
The general principle is called single sign on (sso).
The idea is that instead of each all keeping track of users itself, there is another app (sometimes called an identity provider) that does this. Then when you try to log into an app, it takes to the to login of your identity provider instead. When the IP says you are the correct user, it sends a token to the app saying to let you access your account.
The huge benefits are if you are already logged into the IP on a browser for example, the other apps will login automatically without having to put in your password again.
Also for me the biggest benefit is not having to manage passwords for a large number of apps so family that uses my server have 1 account which gives them access to jellyfin, seafile, immich, freshrss etc. If they change that password it changes it for everything. You can enforce minimum password requirements. You can also add 2FA to any app now immediately.
I use Authentik as my identity provider: https://goauthentik.io/https://goauthentik.io/
There’s good guides to settings it up with traefik so that you get let encrypt certificates and can use traefik for proxy authentication on web based apps like sonarr. There are many different authentication methods an app can choose to use and Authentik essentially supports everything.
SSO should really be the standard for self hosted apps because this way they don’t have to worry about ensuring they have the latest security for user management etc. The app just allows a dedicated identity provider to worry about user management security so the app devs can focus on just the app.
Authentik is pretty good. Authelia is good too, and lighter weight.
You can combine Authelia with LLDAP to get a web UI for user management and LDAP for apps that don’t support OpenID Connect (like Home Assistant).
If you have to add a whole other app the match what authentik can do, is authelia really lighter weight?
Im joking because authentik does takes a decent chunk of ram but having all protocols together is nice. You can actually make ldap authentication 2FA if you want.
Interesting… How does Authentik do 2FA for LDAP?
I’m going to try it out and see how it compares to Authelia. My home server has 64GB RAM and I have VPSes with 16GB and 48GB RAM so RAM isn’t much of an issue :D
Because authentik uses flows, you can insert the 2FA part into any login flow (proxy, oauth, ldap etc)
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/whSBD8YbVlc
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
LDAP sends username and password over the network though… It doesn’t use regular web-based authentication. How would it add 2FA to that?
Thank you for the detailed answer! It seems really interesting and I will definitely give a try on my server!
Although in the subscription version, SSO is not available unless you purchase the “Contact Us” version. https://sso.tax would like a word.
Free for self hosted which is probably what matters to most here
Definitely a fair point, always good to see that in a project
Using it since 2 months now and I really like it. Was totally worth a donation👍
Thanks!
I’ve been using ArchiveBox, this looks a bit more feature-full than ArchiveBox although it seems like ArchiveBox has been pretty stable. Anyone have experience with both, can vouch for the pros and cons?
I may take some time to compare the two. After taking another look at Linkwarden I get the impression it may handle archiving pages differently than ArchiveBox, which isn’t a bad thing it may just not fit the usage of everyone who uses ArchiveBox. The presentation and UI look really good, which is something I find ArchiveBox suffers a bit from.
I actually tried to build Raindrop.io-clone like this one one day, but never got the time to work fully on it… Congrats OP!
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters IP Internet Protocol NAS Network-Attached Storage SMTP Simple Mail Transfer Protocol SSO Single Sign-On
4 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 14 acronyms.
[Thread #412 for this sub, first seen 8th Jan 2024, 22:05] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]
Pretty sure the IP detected was a user talking about ‘identity provider(s)’ and not Internet Protocol.
Archivebox is in my obsidian workflow, it grabs every link in my vault and archives it. I didn’t see an API in linkwarden, perhaps I missed it.
Do you have any particular way of organizing the links themselves? I’ve moved to hosting all my bookmarks in Obsidian as well and am curious as to how others go about it
I treat links like atomic notes. I add as much detail as I feel like to each link, sometimes I go back and add tags and notes. Then I have an exceptionally poor process that attempts to go back to each link, get the archivebox archive and uses python to attempt to grab the article text (I tried using newspaper3k at first, but it’s unmaintained, so moved to readability). Then sticks the resulting link text into the note.
Honestly It’s a mess, and I really haven’t figured out how to do link things together very well, but, for now, it’s my little disaster of a solution.
How does making collections public work if you’re self hosting?
It seems so much nicer than my nextcloud bookmarks!
What value can this bring me over features available using a Mozilla (Firefox) account and the Official Wayback Machine Browser Extension?
Collaboration, making your collections public, better organization, self-hostedness (idk if that’s a word), better UI and so on…
Thank you for responding quickly
No prob!
FYI, if you have a synology NAS and want to self-host using the docker install, these instructions work: https://mariushosting.com/how-to-install-linkwarden-on-your-synology-nas/
This looks like a good replacement for Raindrop.io
Amazing! Have wanted something like this for years, currently use raindrop but not fully, very hesitant of locking myself in. This looks very promising.
I’m very curious… Why do you feel locked in by raindrop? I like that it can regularly upload exports to my Google drive and I can Always download them as html and csv.
That sounds great, I didn’t look into it enough to know that
I can imagine that news orgs won’t like having publicly available backups of their subscriber only content. Is this a problem that has been considered?
Also, somewhat related, are the plans to turn this a little bit into a P2P archive.org? I mean, if multiple people store snapshots of webpages at different times, the timeline could be rebuilt using their publicly available snapshots.
are the plans to turn this a little bit into a P2P archive.org?
Now that would be cool!
Yeah. I expect basically any publicly available instances to get C&Ds REAL fast.
And a p2p archive.org will basically never work. For the same reasons that the various NSFW lemmy instances get defederated from almost instantly. Because there is room for discussion on sites that highlight nudity in movies. There isn’t much room to discuss when it is nothing but revenge porn, “fappening links”, ripped OF content, and (inevitably) child porn.
Stuff like this… I am sure there are niches but I am not seeing a lot of benefit over either a folder or a notes app that lets me upload PDFs (or even just google drive). But once you try to build a “community” you are going to have the same moderation issues amplified a hundred fold.
I’m not sure I understand your thoughts on p2p archive.org . What does it have to do with NSFW lemmy? I don’t follow.
Sorry for off-topic, but why do your comments end in a license link?
I think they do it to be funny (I hope). Like making fun of the folks on Facebook who write stuff like “I hearby declare that all of my posts are my property and can’t be harvested for data” or whatever.
It refers to some old forum signature iirc. I saw an explanation of it in some other Lemmy thread some time ago, though I don’t exactly remember where or when.
