Ah yes, the people who have explicitly called the US their enemies are actually TOTALLY SECRET agents lolol jeez, talk about a baseless claim! Looks like we found our Russian/Chinese/Iranian troll in the comments doing their best to spin this as: USA bad, must be USA’s fault, west=evil.
“Calling” someone your enemy is completely useless when you’re executing their foreign policy. If you care more about who they “call” their enemy rather than who they are actually murdering, then… Well I’ll stop right here out of respect.
And this isn’t even about Russia or China. ISIS was born out of the Syrian war, yet again executing someone’s foreign policy. ISIS shared a border with Israel for a time and never made any attacks, but continue to murder Muslims time after time.
You need to use better sources. I see a number of untrustworthy sites here, and just a Reddit post (entirely unreliable source). Also seeing a lot of straw man arguments in what you’re saying.
Try to have some nuance; the world isn’t divided into two clean sides, and multiple parties can have hostile stances towards each other at the same time. That does not mean “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” if that enemy of your enemy is also attacking you. For example, the US killed ISIS-K’s leader back in 2015; not a friendly maneuver. (Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10N21L/ )
Now, Russia has actually done a lot to earn this terror group’s ire; we have the history of the Tzar’s trying to conquer Afghanistan, the Soviet Afghan War that took 10 years in the 1980’s and was Russia’s Vietnam with a massive civilian death-toll and the destruction of vast amounts of infrastructure, the wars and oppression in Chechnya, the heavy support with Russian boots on the ground for Assad in the Syrian Civil War against the civilian rebels, the ongoing extreme violence and repression of Muslims by Prighozin’s Africa Corps, and the now the forced mobilization of Russia’s ethnic minorities (many who are Muslims from Central Asia) to fight in their morally bankrupt genocide against Ukraine. China has plenty of pressure points with ISIS-K too; chiefly the ongoing Uighur genocide, hence the attacks against Chinese officials in Afghanistan.
Turns out if you do decades of terrorism against a people they might do it to you, regardless of if your country is considered “East” or “West”.
They hate everyone dude. Have you not heard of them before? Why would they go after Russia? Ignoring historical grievances, their biggest operating grounds is in the African nations that France has been kicked out of and the formerly Wagner elements have taken the role of security guarantor. Why would they attack the primary force fighting them? Hmm. Why would they ignore Israel? Israel knows its targeted, and has a small border to patrol. It’s hard to hit someone whose always watching.
So they fight America’s enemies and ignore America’s allies… And they have plausible deniability from the narratives that are produced by the West… And if you try to incorporate narratives from Russia or China that’s just propaganda…
Honestly, it’s a wonderful system of mind control the West has developed.
Didn’t they attack in France/Germany/Spain some time ago? Or are they exempt from being the spooky West. The use of the term seems to vary wildly so it’s tough to figure what it is used for, maybe the world minus Africa and Asia usually 🤔
Thanks for checking. Which countries did you find out then?
Got these examples pulled which does include France still. Don’t know about the accuracy
Paris attacks (November 2015): Coordinated attacks across various locations in Paris, France, including the Bataclan theater, resulting in 130 deaths and hundreds injured.
Brussels bombings (March 2016): Bombings at Brussels Airport and a metro station in Brussels, Belgium, resulting in 32 deaths and over 300 injured.
Manchester Arena bombing (May 2017): A suicide bombing at a concert venue in Manchester, UK, resulting in 22 deaths, including children, and dozens injured.
London Bridge attack (June 2017): A vehicle and knife attack on London Bridge and Borough Market in London, UK, resulting in 8 deaths and dozens injured.
China is an odd one to attack. There’s no historical grievances and China is making a lot of positive inroads all across the Islamic World. Seems like they’d pick a different target.
China is more unusual, but the Islamic world is not a simple, singular thing. Religion can be hostile to near faiths. If catholics are burning protestants(or vice versa) I wouldn’t thinking making friends with one, would endear you to the other. Even if you are friends with the Taliban, Isis doesn’t really care. To them the Taliban aren’t pure enough. No one but them are. Reaching out to the rest of the Islamic world may be seen as a negative to them.
If they are next to China, and china is not them, that may be enough for them to justify it to themselves. Religious extremists don’t tend to make perfect sense to people who see the world as it is.
All other extremists? The guy who shot up Christchurch? Was his grievance legitimate? The guys who burn synagogues? When the kkk bombed a church killing 3 children? I don’t think they were from my view. They aren’t chaotic, but their rational is not based on things outside of religion. I don’t see that as npc things. They are human, and humans do not all see things the same. I’m not the one putting my views on them. They say they feel a way, and I believe them. For some reason you can’t. It must be the cia, or America. I’ll give you one thing. The circumstances that created them were certainly the fault of the US intentional or not.
Did I say anything about legitimacy? No! I said definite and concrete. Even if their beliefs are bullshit they still believe in something!
Their religion isn’t “kill everyone” so who they target is selective. This honestly comes across as Islamophobia - ‘they’re just monsters, who knows what they motivated by!’
Maybe, but it strikes me as strange that they hate all other sects and national groups except the Uyghurs. Also, they’d be the only group that actually does care outside the West. Very strange.
Not really maybe. In the article they say it, but neofacist cartoon character pic over here you are replying to probably didn’t read it. They say it’s for the Uyghurs and the support of the Taliban. They don’t like the taliban because they are their local authority.
Isis a US puppet? Fucking insane. The first two articles are from almost ten years ago. I’ll shit in Israel. Weren’t they funding Hamas back then too? I fully acknowledge that Israel wants this, but are you going to ask why won’t isis attack Israel’s puppet Palestinian? Is it because they are fellow Israeli puppet? The last link is reddit screenshots. I can see little else on the internet about it.
Edit: I did find an article which was under a pay wall where isis condemned Hamas eventually. They weren’t condemning them for attacking Israel though. They were basically condemning hamas for not being isis.
Totally not controlled by the US State Department. They just HAPPEN to attack Russia and China and ignore Israel. Totally incidental.
Ah yes, the people who have explicitly called the US their enemies are actually TOTALLY SECRET agents lolol jeez, talk about a baseless claim! Looks like we found our Russian/Chinese/Iranian troll in the comments doing their best to spin this as: USA bad, must be USA’s fault, west=evil.
Lmao you’ll have to try harder than that, friend.
“Calling” someone your enemy is completely useless when you’re executing their foreign policy. If you care more about who they “call” their enemy rather than who they are actually murdering, then… Well I’ll stop right here out of respect.
And this isn’t even about Russia or China. ISIS was born out of the Syrian war, yet again executing someone’s foreign policy. ISIS shared a border with Israel for a time and never made any attacks, but continue to murder Muslims time after time.
ex-ISIS chief appointed as commander of US-backed militia
US provides air support to ISIS against Syrian army
ISIS condemns Hamas (real)
Israel’s Intelligence Chief, Herzi Halevy: “We will do everything to make sure ISIS does not lose in Syria.”
UN Report: Israel in Regular Contact with Syrian Rebels including ISIS
In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA
And now attacks on Russia and China. US is doing a shit job at hiding it.
You need to use better sources. I see a number of untrustworthy sites here, and just a Reddit post (entirely unreliable source). Also seeing a lot of straw man arguments in what you’re saying.
Try to have some nuance; the world isn’t divided into two clean sides, and multiple parties can have hostile stances towards each other at the same time. That does not mean “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” if that enemy of your enemy is also attacking you. For example, the US killed ISIS-K’s leader back in 2015; not a friendly maneuver. (Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10N21L/ )
Now, Russia has actually done a lot to earn this terror group’s ire; we have the history of the Tzar’s trying to conquer Afghanistan, the Soviet Afghan War that took 10 years in the 1980’s and was Russia’s Vietnam with a massive civilian death-toll and the destruction of vast amounts of infrastructure, the wars and oppression in Chechnya, the heavy support with Russian boots on the ground for Assad in the Syrian Civil War against the civilian rebels, the ongoing extreme violence and repression of Muslims by Prighozin’s Africa Corps, and the now the forced mobilization of Russia’s ethnic minorities (many who are Muslims from Central Asia) to fight in their morally bankrupt genocide against Ukraine. China has plenty of pressure points with ISIS-K too; chiefly the ongoing Uighur genocide, hence the attacks against Chinese officials in Afghanistan.
Turns out if you do decades of terrorism against a people they might do it to you, regardless of if your country is considered “East” or “West”.
They hate everyone dude. Have you not heard of them before? Why would they go after Russia? Ignoring historical grievances, their biggest operating grounds is in the African nations that France has been kicked out of and the formerly Wagner elements have taken the role of security guarantor. Why would they attack the primary force fighting them? Hmm. Why would they ignore Israel? Israel knows its targeted, and has a small border to patrol. It’s hard to hit someone whose always watching.
So they fight America’s enemies and ignore America’s allies… And they have plausible deniability from the narratives that are produced by the West… And if you try to incorporate narratives from Russia or China that’s just propaganda…
Honestly, it’s a wonderful system of mind control the West has developed.
Didn’t they attack in France/Germany/Spain some time ago? Or are they exempt from being the spooky West. The use of the term seems to vary wildly so it’s tough to figure what it is used for, maybe the world minus Africa and Asia usually 🤔
Spain? No. A Spanish politician said it was indirectly the responsibility of ISIL, but ISIL mouthpieces just said Spain deserved it.
France? Predominantly lone wolf attacks, not a lot of confirmation that they were ISIL, often they were called “suspected ISIL members”.
Germany? I can’t find anything about ISIL/ISIS attacks on Germany.
Thanks for checking. Which countries did you find out then?
Got these examples pulled which does include France still. Don’t know about the accuracy
Paris attacks (November 2015): Coordinated attacks across various locations in Paris, France, including the Bataclan theater, resulting in 130 deaths and hundreds injured.
Brussels bombings (March 2016): Bombings at Brussels Airport and a metro station in Brussels, Belgium, resulting in 32 deaths and over 300 injured.
Manchester Arena bombing (May 2017): A suicide bombing at a concert venue in Manchester, UK, resulting in 22 deaths, including children, and dozens injured.
London Bridge attack (June 2017): A vehicle and knife attack on London Bridge and Borough Market in London, UK, resulting in 8 deaths and dozens injured.
China is an odd one to attack. There’s no historical grievances and China is making a lot of positive inroads all across the Islamic World. Seems like they’d pick a different target.
China is more unusual, but the Islamic world is not a simple, singular thing. Religion can be hostile to near faiths. If catholics are burning protestants(or vice versa) I wouldn’t thinking making friends with one, would endear you to the other. Even if you are friends with the Taliban, Isis doesn’t really care. To them the Taliban aren’t pure enough. No one but them are. Reaching out to the rest of the Islamic world may be seen as a negative to them.
If they are next to China, and china is not them, that may be enough for them to justify it to themselves. Religious extremists don’t tend to make perfect sense to people who see the world as it is.
Weird how all the other extremists seem to have definite and concrete grievances whereas ISIS seems to just be randomly generated chaotic NPCs
All other extremists? The guy who shot up Christchurch? Was his grievance legitimate? The guys who burn synagogues? When the kkk bombed a church killing 3 children? I don’t think they were from my view. They aren’t chaotic, but their rational is not based on things outside of religion. I don’t see that as npc things. They are human, and humans do not all see things the same. I’m not the one putting my views on them. They say they feel a way, and I believe them. For some reason you can’t. It must be the cia, or America. I’ll give you one thing. The circumstances that created them were certainly the fault of the US intentional or not.
Did I say anything about legitimacy? No! I said definite and concrete. Even if their beliefs are bullshit they still believe in something!
Their religion isn’t “kill everyone” so who they target is selective. This honestly comes across as Islamophobia - ‘they’re just monsters, who knows what they motivated by!’
Why did they select China?
Maybe Uyghurs?
Also Islam isn’t kill everyone but ISIS kinda is just look at their opponent list on Wikipedia
Maybe, but it strikes me as strange that they hate all other sects and national groups except the Uyghurs. Also, they’d be the only group that actually does care outside the West. Very strange.
Not really maybe. In the article they say it, but neofacist cartoon character pic over here you are replying to probably didn’t read it. They say it’s for the Uyghurs and the support of the Taliban. They don’t like the taliban because they are their local authority.
Because they literally receive aid from it lol. Fellow US proxies after all.
Israel’s Intelligence Chief, Herzi Halevy: “We will do everything to make sure ISIS does not lose in Syria.”
ISIS condemns Hamas
Isis a US puppet? Fucking insane. The first two articles are from almost ten years ago. I’ll shit in Israel. Weren’t they funding Hamas back then too? I fully acknowledge that Israel wants this, but are you going to ask why won’t isis attack Israel’s puppet Palestinian? Is it because they are fellow Israeli puppet? The last link is reddit screenshots. I can see little else on the internet about it.
Edit: I did find an article which was under a pay wall where isis condemned Hamas eventually. They weren’t condemning them for attacking Israel though. They were basically condemning hamas for not being isis.
And that second one is quote sausage. Lots of little quotes chopped up and stuffed into a narrative casing.
In what part of being not Isis anyway?
Hate everyone except Israel?
Almost every Muslim’s eyes is at the horrors being committed in Israel, yet these “Muslims” never bothered to be concerned with them?
It’s like you didn’t read everything I said