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    So far you have provided a survey about government satisfaction. When presented with data which shows that China is quite a bit more corrupt than the west, you changed the subject to argue prosperity and wealth.

    And on those topics, you are wrong as well. China trails the west considerably on:

    Human Development Index:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    GDP:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

    GDP per Capita:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    Educational Attainment:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_education_attainment https://www.worldeconomics.com/Indicator-Data/ESG/Social/Mean-Years-of-Schooling/

    Access to Indoor Plumbing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proportion_of_the_population_using_improved_sanitation_facilities

    Social Mobility:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index

    Labor productivity:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_labour_productivity

    Minimum wage:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_wage

    We could keep going here. You are very clearly the one who is cherry picking data. Like many people who make these ridiculous claim, you seem to be under the impression that everyone in China lives in tier 1 cities, and ignore things like China’s hukou caste system, or the fact that the average rural Chinese person does not even attempt a high school education.

    Again, I acknowledge that China has made miraculous advancements in many of these areas, and will likely be on par or even surpass the west in many of these this century. However, you are clearly arguing in bad faith, moving goalposts and ranting about a bunch of things you seem to have quite a poor grasp of.

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      Again, you Wikipedia is not exactly the most reliable source for these things, and I’ve provided you with very different numbers from other sources. Pretty much every source that accounts for stuff like PPP shows that China is doing quite well compared to the west. However, you once again ignore the fact that the west had a head start, and that the wealth in the west comes from colonialism. China’s growth doesn’t come at the cost of impoverishment of other countries the way western growth does. Finally, the really important part is the trajectory. Life in China is improving, life in the west is getting worse.

      And claiming that when I’m arguing in bad faith or moving goal posts when I’ve been consistently saying the same thing and backing up with sources says everything I need to know about you. Bye.

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        I am still waiting to see your sources on any of this tbh

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          Not sure what you’re waiting for given that I’ve already provided you sources backing everything I said.

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            Well then it should be easy for you to consolidate them in one comment.

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              I’m not going to waste more time on you. It’s pretty clear you’re just going to keep ignoring everything I say and repeating the same thing like a broken record. You don’t want to have an honest discussion here.

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                On the contrary, I am trying to have a conversation. I have attempted to address every premise you’ve offered with a combination of history, data and personal experience. I don’t believe you have offered sources for many of your claim, but in case I missed them, it would be helpful if you provided a summary.

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                  If you are trying to have a conversation then we’re clearly talking past each other. My points are as follows.

                  • We see consistent and steady improvement in the quality of life of people in China. I’ve provided many sources demonstrating this.
                  • China has a stable economy that does not see constant crashes the way western economies do.
                  • The government of China is working in the interest of the public, and has popular support from the vast majority of people who live in China. This is again supported by the numerous resources I’ve provided.
                  • The government of China predominantly consists of working class people.
                  • The economy of China is directed towards the interests of the majority, and all the core economy, such as energy production, is publicly owned.
                  • The disparity in wealth with the west comes from the west brutally exploiting the global south to enrich western nations. Despite this, the standards of living in the west continue to decline.
                  • Practically all the improvements in the standard of living have come from China in the past decades, meanwhile the standard of living globally has actually declined.

                  I have sourced all these claims in this thread.