Neoliberalism leads to and enables fascism down the road, but itself is not fascism. Neoliberalism is letting Capitalism loose, which will result in Capitalists gaining power and creating an absolute bourgeois state to oppress the Workers, typically by providing an “enemy” as a response to increasing disparity and a slipping of the grasp of Capital.
Fascism is a response to Neoliberalism, but is not the same, and in the US election the Neoliberal party and the fascist party vary significantly when it comes to social issues. Violence against minority populations is vastly increased under republican governance, and those I love are not privledged enough to not be in danger.
how does that violence compare to the violence of being sent to a country where you and your family are in danger? how does that violence compared to the violence of being locked up and a slave colony? how do you quantify this? I don’t believe it is quantifiable.
I said violence is higher under Republicans against minority populations, and gave proof. You are now saying that doesn’t matter and moving the goal posts.
Violence is bad. Higher rates of violent hate crimes is worse. Simple as.
Democrats at least are socially progressive, even if their foreign policy and economic policies are reactionary. As such, it is safer to be queer or an ethnic minority under democrats. Republicans literally run on the platform of “brown people bad” and “immigrants are dangerous people stealing our jobs,” and as such under Republicans, hate crimes rise.
The only way you can genuinely not know this is if you yourself are so privledged that it doesn’t impact you.
That’s certainly a whattaboutism, considering Republicans have routinely bombed the fuck out of the Middle East as well. I gave you proof and you’re moving the goalposts.
I’m not moving the goal posts. they’re exactly where I planted them: you can’t quantify all violence, so you can’t say that it’s going to be higher under one administration or another against any group.
I can. I gave proof, higher rates of hate crimes is bad, and Bush obviously got the US involved in Iraq. US foreign policy is extremely Imperialist, yes, but the dems feign social progressivism while the reps include hatred of minorities as a part of their platform.
You’re genuinely a fed, you’ve read no theory and are incapable of materialist analysis. You aren’t a leftist, you’re stirring the pot. You’re a reactionary at best.
Elaborate. You said it’s fascism, then said liberal democracy is a breeding ground for fascism. Which is it? Is all reactionary ideology fascism?
This is what I mean. You have precisely no grounding in theoretical knowledge, and cannot understand the differences between a fascist movement that results from Neoliberalism, to Neoliberalism itself. That’s like saying a tadpole is an adult frog. Same species, Capitalist, but completely different stages.
fascism is a strictly regimented society in which every institution serves the state. under Mussolini the most obvious expression was corporatism and in fact that is the purest definition of fascism. sure, eco will talk about The racial stuff as Central but I don’t think Mussolini ever would. I think that he only saw that as part of strengthening the state just like almost every other country who was practicing eugenics at the time did, just like the United States.
fascists come to power out of liberal democracies because liberal democracies are incapable of preventing them. All they have to do is pitch themselves as " third positionist" like clinton did.
You explained what I already said: Neoliberalism creates the conditions for fascism. When one candidate is a Neoliberal, they leave the door open for fascism. When one candidate is a fascist, you’re straight jumping to fascism.
Delaying the slide to fascism by voting neoliberal is the preferred course of action.
You’re a fed, you have no knowledge of theory and exist purely to spoil the pot.
You called this person a fed a bunch of times. Fed jacketing is a big deal, and it’s even more of big deal on a platform that has NSA documents outlining its structure and weaknesses.
Do you have any evidence for this accusation or are you just using it as a rhetorical device?
Rhetorically, though I’ve blocked them and decided to stop engaging. I agree, it is a serious accusation and I probably should’ve refrained from doing it, but they were acting both extremely reactionary and never once denied being a fed, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true.
Still, fair point, I won’t baselessly call people feds if I disagree with them alone, thanks for bringing the NSA bit to my attention.
A tiger cub is still a tiger. You can cuddle and pet a tiger cub. Even let your kids play with it. But a full grown tiger? That’s dangerous to have around, especially if it gets hungry.
That’s what exactly no theory does to someone.
Neoliberalism leads to and enables fascism down the road, but itself is not fascism. Neoliberalism is letting Capitalism loose, which will result in Capitalists gaining power and creating an absolute bourgeois state to oppress the Workers, typically by providing an “enemy” as a response to increasing disparity and a slipping of the grasp of Capital.
Fascism is a response to Neoliberalism, but is not the same, and in the US election the Neoliberal party and the fascist party vary significantly when it comes to social issues. Violence against minority populations is vastly increased under republican governance, and those I love are not privledged enough to not be in danger.
citation needed, because Mike Brown was murdered under the deporter in chief, and Biden wrote the crime bill that clinton signed.
Pretty easy to Google yourself, but here’s one of the first results.
how does that violence compare to the violence of being sent to a country where you and your family are in danger? how does that violence compared to the violence of being locked up and a slave colony? how do you quantify this? I don’t believe it is quantifiable.
I said violence is higher under Republicans against minority populations, and gave proof. You are now saying that doesn’t matter and moving the goal posts.
Touch grass.
you gave one expression of violence that may be higher under Republicans, but how do you quantify all violence?
Violence is bad. Higher rates of violent hate crimes is worse. Simple as.
Democrats at least are socially progressive, even if their foreign policy and economic policies are reactionary. As such, it is safer to be queer or an ethnic minority under democrats. Republicans literally run on the platform of “brown people bad” and “immigrants are dangerous people stealing our jobs,” and as such under Republicans, hate crimes rise.
The only way you can genuinely not know this is if you yourself are so privledged that it doesn’t impact you.
so it doesn’t matter how many families Obama broke up or deported because that’s not classes as a hate crime? absurd.
It absolutely does matter, it’s just worse under Republicans. Both sides are bad, one is worse.
Go back to being a fed and spoiling the pot.
Obama straight up murdered an American citizen for going to the wrong wedding. being Muslim is dangerous under Democrats.
That’s certainly a whattaboutism, considering Republicans have routinely bombed the fuck out of the Middle East as well. I gave you proof and you’re moving the goalposts.
I’m not moving the goal posts. they’re exactly where I planted them: you can’t quantify all violence, so you can’t say that it’s going to be higher under one administration or another against any group.
I can. I gave proof, higher rates of hate crimes is bad, and Bush obviously got the US involved in Iraq. US foreign policy is extremely Imperialist, yes, but the dems feign social progressivism while the reps include hatred of minorities as a part of their platform.
you only gave statistics on what the fascist government classes as illegal violence.
You’re genuinely a fed, you’ve read no theory and are incapable of materialist analysis. You aren’t a leftist, you’re stirring the pot. You’re a reactionary at best.
no, neoliberalism is fascism. liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism.
You contradicted yourself. Neoliberalism is not fascism, it provides the breeding grounds for fascism.
neoliberalism is fascism. I didn’t contradict myself.
Elaborate. You said it’s fascism, then said liberal democracy is a breeding ground for fascism. Which is it? Is all reactionary ideology fascism?
This is what I mean. You have precisely no grounding in theoretical knowledge, and cannot understand the differences between a fascist movement that results from Neoliberalism, to Neoliberalism itself. That’s like saying a tadpole is an adult frog. Same species, Capitalist, but completely different stages.
They think so therefore they’re right. I’ve seen far too many ludicrous statements by people that clearly came before the evidence, not after it.
fascism is a strictly regimented society in which every institution serves the state. under Mussolini the most obvious expression was corporatism and in fact that is the purest definition of fascism. sure, eco will talk about The racial stuff as Central but I don’t think Mussolini ever would. I think that he only saw that as part of strengthening the state just like almost every other country who was practicing eugenics at the time did, just like the United States.
fascists come to power out of liberal democracies because liberal democracies are incapable of preventing them. All they have to do is pitch themselves as " third positionist" like clinton did.
neoliberalism is fascism.
You explained what I already said: Neoliberalism creates the conditions for fascism. When one candidate is a Neoliberal, they leave the door open for fascism. When one candidate is a fascist, you’re straight jumping to fascism.
Delaying the slide to fascism by voting neoliberal is the preferred course of action.
You’re a fed, you have no knowledge of theory and exist purely to spoil the pot.
You called this person a fed a bunch of times. Fed jacketing is a big deal, and it’s even more of big deal on a platform that has NSA documents outlining its structure and weaknesses.
Do you have any evidence for this accusation or are you just using it as a rhetorical device?
Rhetorically, though I’ve blocked them and decided to stop engaging. I agree, it is a serious accusation and I probably should’ve refrained from doing it, but they were acting both extremely reactionary and never once denied being a fed, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true.
Still, fair point, I won’t baselessly call people feds if I disagree with them alone, thanks for bringing the NSA bit to my attention.
A tiger cub is still a tiger. You can cuddle and pet a tiger cub. Even let your kids play with it. But a full grown tiger? That’s dangerous to have around, especially if it gets hungry.
Sure, so then there’s no difference in voting to be locked in a room alone with a tiger cub vs an adult tiger, got it.
The tiger cub buys time to make meaningful grassroots change, even if it still continues the path to an eventual adult tiger.