• OrangeSlice
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    1 year ago

    You need to realize that I don’t have a side in this fight, neither one is fighting for “the right thing” here. I exclusively stand with the Ukrainians who are caught between geopolitical forces far outside of their control, and now will be suffering for decades to come (if they aren’t dead already being caught in a warzone at all). I’m not some “pro-Russia” dork.

    Then he ran the independence referenda in the Russian-army-occupied settlements, that claimed “independence” over the entire regions (a large chunk of which Russia didn’t even control).

    It’s interesting the way you phrase your summary in the language offered by Ukraininan/US/Western propaganda, of course Russian propaganda will have their own way of describing the state of the Donbass territories, and it’s important to carefully analyze both sources in order to have a basic idea of what’s going on. I acknowledge that the language/culture barrier is going to prevent me from having any sort of advanced understanding of the political situation there, but maybe if you have close ties to Eastern Ukraine, you could fill me in?

    So then why would you ever characterise it as Ukraine bringing it on themselves? That they’re the ones who aren’t being serious about negotiations?

    It’s not strictly Ukraine, as they were victims of a United States-backed coup in 2014, but from my point of view, it’s been a bit of a clown show of leadership from them leading up to the conflict. The United States has repeatedly been shown to be an unreliable ally, and for some reason (well, we know the reason) Ukrainian leadership kept deciding to align with them and talk about their aspirations for NATO membership, even though that would be an obvious threat to Russia.

    I can understand why many Ukrainians would prefer to have closer ties to the EU and “the west”, however doing that comes with a gigantic risk of pissing off their larger, more powerful neighbor. None of this is “just”, it’s just reality.

    Are they “prolonging” the war for fun? I hope you don’t actually buy this and it’s just a contrarian bit.

    With the mimimal amount of information I have available to me, I don’t “agree” with Putin’s decision to invade (but, who gives a fuck what some guy on the internet thinks anyway?), at the same time, it was an inevitable result of the ongoing development of history. The real tragedy is the dissolution of the USSR, which was certainly flawed, but has left every member state and many others around the world worse off. Thank you, USA.

    NATO support has thrown fuel onto this brutal conflict and is absolutely heinous, in my opinion. A swift end is what I have been hoping for from the beginning, but it only prolongs it further.

    Anyway, not every person you disagree with is “doing a contrarian bit”. My positions aren’t even that far outside of the mainstream.