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    7 months ago

    No self respecting Arab or Muslim should vote for him after he facilitated -still ongoing- the massacre of children in Palestine

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      If you’re telling people to not vote for Biden, you’re basically endorsing Republicans. Do you think they’ll be any better?

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        No it is not an endorsement of Trump anymore than it is an endorsement of West or any other candidate. It is holding a president that enabled the worst Palestinian genocide since 1948 accountable. More bombs in a month than all of 2019 on Afghanistan. More children killed in a month than 18 months of Russian war on Ukraine. More journalists dead in a month than in any other conflict or any other year. People should still vote down ballot for any sane progressives. The Democratic Party can still primary someone younger and with no blood on their hands.

        Republicans won’t be better, but at least I know the liberals will not rationalize a genocide when it is a a Republican president. And nothing they can do domestically will ever come close in severity and inhumanity as the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

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          If Biden doesn’t win, then the Republicans will. It’s as simple as that.

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                Now you are just lying. If you are going to engage in genocide denial then don’t expect Arabs/Muslims to vote for your genocidal candidate.

                https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/rights-lawyers-release-legal-analysis-us-complicity-israel-s

                https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/us-complicit-israeli-genocide-gaza

                https://www.reuters.com/world/reuters-next-arabs-see-us-complicit-israels-gaza-war-former-jordan-envoy-muasher-2023-11-08/

                https://theintercept.com/2023/10/19/israel-gaza-biden-genocide-war-crimes/

                I don’t know how you can justify a genocide. But I am sure a huge part of it is dehumanizing Arabs/Muslims, which is why I must ask, why do you care who we vote for if you don’t care if we die?

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                  Allying yourself with the Nazis is not going to “help Palestianans”. Nazis have already dehumanized Arabs/Muslims to the maximum extent possible. Bush ® is the president who gave Gaza to Hamas, not Biden. Without Biden there would be no aid trucks going into Gaza. Without Biden there would be no humanitarian pauses. If it is true that “arabs see US as complicit in Israel’s Gaza war”, then it is up to yourself to help them see the actual truth and not the lies.

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                    If it is true that “arabs see US as complicit in Israel’s Gaza war”, then it is up to yourself to help them see the actual truth and not the lies.

                    The US is complicit from vetoing the UN ceasefire to arming and bankrolling Israel’s genocide. I am sure deep down you are a good person except misled. The truth is as Arabs and the rest of the world see it. If you don’t care about Palestinians lives -which is apparent- you should at least care about the US’s image.

                    Here are some key quotes from a Financial Times article titled “Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine”

                    “We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

                    Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.

                    “What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

                    Since last Sunday, many of those officials told the Financial Times they have had the same argument read back at them in demands for condemnation of Israel’s retaliatory assault on Gaza, and of its decision to restrict water, electricity and gas supplies there.

                    “I mean, let’s be frank. This is a gift from heaven for Russia,” said a senior EU official. “I think it’s damaging what’s happening . . . because Russia is exploiting the crisis and saying, ‘Look, the global order that has been built after the second world war is not working for you,’ and addressing 1bn inhabitants in the Middle East or in the Arab world.”

                    “What New Delhi, Jakarta and Brasília want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, Nato will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Nato secretary-general.

                    “We, the west, do not call the shots any more, and the Global South says: ‘Please, we have a voice as well which you have neglected for some time,’” added de Hoop Scheffer, now chair of the Clingendael Institute, a Dutch think-tank.

                    Archived link to article: https://archive.ph/ctAhD

                    In 2004 I couldn’t wait to vote for John Kerry on the hopes he will put an end to the Bush’s war on terror. In 2008 and 2012 I watched Obama promise and underdeliver, specially on the never-ending wars. In 2016 I voted for Clinton because Trump was apparently worse. In 2020 I voted for Biden despite knowing he is a Zionist and warmonger because I hoped he was still a decent person that acknowledges basic facts like climate change and maybe the progressives can push him to the left. I have now learned I have been scammed and fearmongered into voting Democratic, only to get a massive genocide.

                    The carnage in Gaza exceeds anything I witnessed my whole life in terms of scale. The number of children dead exceeds anything I saw my whole life. You may be kept in the dark about what’s going on in Palestine and so I encourage you to get informed.

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                    The US is complicit in the genocide. You genocide-denying liberal! https://youtu.be/rrUh9UOZzqo

                    Did you miss everything Biden said and did? Did you miss his unconditional support to Israel? Did you miss when he spread fake news about raped women and beheaded children? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/10/12/white-house-walks-back-bidens-claim-he-saw-children-beheaded-by-hamas

                    Or his continued opposition to a ceasefire as voted on by the UN https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

                    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4248451-white-house-calls-lawmakers-not-backing-israel-wrong-disgraceful/amp/

                    Did you miss when he opposed -still does- the ceasefire and called it repugnant? https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/the-shift-white-house-press-secretary-calls-progressives-calling-for-ceasefire-disgraceful-and-repugnant/

                    Biden has blood on his hands and by his sheer hypocrisy and dehumanization of Palestinians he is also harming Ukrainians. You can’t have two different standards for Palestinians and Ukrainians

                    https://www.ft.com/content/e0b43918-7eaf-4a11-baaf-d6d7fb61a8a5

                    Israel has been far more brutal than Russia and Biden sends them more weapons to murder children with

                    Not only do Democrats deserve to lose -unless they nominate someone else- but the US deserves to be humiliated on the world stage for its hypocrisy and double standards

                    Israel is committing war crimes that makes Russia look like a saint, and Biden is bankrolling the murder of children in Gaza.

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                  Ok don’t vote for Biden. Where’s your vote going to?

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      He’s been supporting Israel, but realistically every president will. What he hasn’t done is stoke anti Muslim hate crimes.

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      Then you better start finding common ground with swing-obama-trump voters and find some non-israel things to compromise on, bc if far-lefties all stop voting or vote 3rd and all the non-lefties still show up to vote Republican, you just lose more ground to fascists.

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      Ah yes, because the alternative, a racist guy who does Muslim bans, is going to be so much better. In the first-past-the-post, electoral college US, that’s all you’re going to get.

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      He didn’t facilitate anything. Muslim Egypt could have allowed all civilians to leave Gaza but they didn’t. Muslim Turkey could have evacuated Palestine’s civilians by sea but they didn’t. Muslim Gazans could have overthrown Hamas but they didn’t. The main victims of Hamas are Muslim Palestinians. Only a fool would live anywhere that is controlled by Hamas.

      And did you not know that there are plenty of Christians and non Arabs in Palestine too? No self respecting human being cares care only about 1 particular religion or 1 particular ethnic group. Do you know how ridiculous it is that Jews and Muslim are fighting each other because they have different imaginary friends? It will keep on happening forever until you rise above religion and value all of humanity.

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        He didn’t facilitate anything.

        Who are you lying to? Did you miss when the US vetoed the UN ceasefire and when the White House called it repugnant? https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

        Muslim Egypt could have allowed all civilians to leave Gaza but they didn’t. Muslim Turkey could have evacuated Palestine’s civilians by sea but they didn’t.

        Why? Palestinians are from Palestine. Why should Egypt or Turkey facilitate Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? FYI Egypt is a secular state and 10% are Christian.

        Muslim Gazans could have overthrown Hamas but they didn’t.

        Do you think people in the US should be punished for whoever wins the elections? Should people in the US overthrow their government if it does something awful like bankroll a genocide? 50% of Gazans are children, they can’t overthrow anyone. FYI: resistance to occupation and apartheid is both legal by international laws and moral.

        And did you not know that there are plenty of Christians and non Arabs in Palestine too?

        Yes I know. Justin Amish Palestinian American Christian had relatives of him murdered by Israel who were sheltering in a church in Gaza. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/palestinian-christians-accuse-western-church-of-complicity-in-gaza-deaths/ar-AA1iCrpk

        No self respecting human being cares care only about 1 particular religion or 1 particular ethnic group.

        I agreed. Maybe you should learn to care about Palestinians.

        Do you know how ridiculous it is that Jews and Muslim are fighting each other because they have different imaginary friends? It will keep on happening forever until you rise above religion and value all of humanity.

        It is not a religious war. David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) phrased it well: “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121. [emphasis mine]