Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Cori Bush (D-Mo.) are facing criticism from fellow Democrats over weekend statements in which they each labeled Israel as an apartheid state and called for the U.S…
Oh man, do I dare even wade in on this issue. It has gotten so sticky.
There’s a real chance that this attack was successful because of intelligence passed through former US President Donald Trump.
The attack did not represent the will of everyone who lives in Palestine.
The response from Israel so far has been wildly disproportionate and has labelled everyone in Gaza as an enemy, worth pulling access to important things like water and electricity to the whole area. They are calling them “human animals.”
There are literally zero good guys in this situation.
You have the former President of the US and his party who have fully embraced trying to push an authoritarian dictatorship in the states, so they have firmly placed their bets alongside foreign authoritarian dictators whom they want to make allyship with.
You have Hamas deciding to murder people for going to a concert. Maybe the concert was politically motivated or something, but from the sounds of it, it was just… a music concert and wasn’t necessarily a home to the most racist of racist Israeli’s. Plenty of the people who died there that day could have been moderates or leftists who don’t hate the Palestinian people. There are lots of moderates in Israel, you just don’t hear about them as much, because like the US, our crazed conservatives are so loud they drown out anything else in the news cycle. Like why the fuck else would I have been so familiar with the name “Netanyahu” for the last 20 years of my life, but I could hardly bring up the name of moderate or leftists Israeli politicians to save my fucking life. Because Netanyahu, like Trump is the one out doing crazy shit and causing headlines. So likely innocent people dead for a political attack that is likely going to destroy even more innocent lives in Gaza.
Then finally you have Israel deciding (like usual) to take a total disproportionate and racist response where you’re punishing each and every Palestinian for the crimes of a few. It’s racist because they have decided that “all of them are the same.” If you can’t view a group of people as a disparate group who might not all feel the same way about every little thing, you’ve chosen to stereotype them, especially if your view of them is negative, you’re choosing to be prejudiced instead of accepting that everyone is an individual, and no individual deserves to be punished for the crimes of another.
Fuck this whole shit ass clown show. We’re all just trying to have a decent fucking life here. They’re right to call out Israel, they’re wrong to not call out Hamas and Trump right alongside them.
It’s also starting to have a mild 9/11 feel, where the government was warned repeatedly, and you’re starting to wonder if they sort of just… let it happen because the aftermath would be politically convenient for what they wanted to do politically?
I mean, it’s Netanyahu we’re talking about here, I 100% firmly believe he’s enough of a scumfuck to let it happen on purpose so he could use to his advantage.
Zero good guys. The Bad, the Badder, and the Ugly.
There’s a real chance that this attack was successful because of intelligence passed through former US President Donald Trump.
Pretty irrelevant at this stage.
The attack did not represent the will of everyone who lives in Palestine.
Palestinians have every right to fight back against a genocidal settler-colonialist state. They do not need your permission or approval to do so.
The response from Israel so far has been wildly disproportionate and has labelled everyone in Gaza as an enemy
The settler-colonialist state of Israel has treated all Palestinians as an enemy “other” in their quest for Zionist ethno-fascist lebensraum since 1949 - no one has a right to be surprised by this now.
It’s really upsetting any time innocent civilians get caught up in violence, especially if it’s state sponsored. The Israeli people have a right to peaceful enjoyment of their lives just like any other people. Not doing anything about this violence against civilians is the wrong move because it will likely happen again and again. Bombing civilian targets is not the right move either. There must be a targeted response and the perpetrators must be brought to justice.
Israeli intelligence services are supposed to be some of the best in the world. They absolutely have the tools for a targeted response.
I agree, involving more civilians will just continue the unbroken cycle of violence, because that’s how you create new sympathizers for Hamas. You take one politically neutral Palestinian, and have family members murdered by Israel in response to an attack by Hamas, and boom, suddenly, not shockingly, they support Hamas. It really undermines solving the problem.
Israeli military has the tools to root out the individuals responsible, and I really wish they would turn to those tools instead of indiscriminate bombing.
Gaza is little more than a modern-day ghetto for the Palestinians Israel cannot murder without the world’s cameras telling us about it… where are these “uninvolved civilians” you speak of?
You take one politically neutral Palestinian
Where do you see Palestinians living in such bubbles of privilege that they can afford “political neutrality?” In the open-air prison of Gaza, perhaps? In the squalid refugee camps in Jordan, perhaps?
Oh man, do I dare even wade in on this issue. It has gotten so sticky.
There’s a real chance that this attack was successful because of intelligence passed through former US President Donald Trump.
The attack did not represent the will of everyone who lives in Palestine.
The response from Israel so far has been wildly disproportionate and has labelled everyone in Gaza as an enemy, worth pulling access to important things like water and electricity to the whole area. They are calling them “human animals.”
There are literally zero good guys in this situation.
You have the former President of the US and his party who have fully embraced trying to push an authoritarian dictatorship in the states, so they have firmly placed their bets alongside foreign authoritarian dictators whom they want to make allyship with.
You have Hamas deciding to murder people for going to a concert. Maybe the concert was politically motivated or something, but from the sounds of it, it was just… a music concert and wasn’t necessarily a home to the most racist of racist Israeli’s. Plenty of the people who died there that day could have been moderates or leftists who don’t hate the Palestinian people. There are lots of moderates in Israel, you just don’t hear about them as much, because like the US, our crazed conservatives are so loud they drown out anything else in the news cycle. Like why the fuck else would I have been so familiar with the name “Netanyahu” for the last 20 years of my life, but I could hardly bring up the name of moderate or leftists Israeli politicians to save my fucking life. Because Netanyahu, like Trump is the one out doing crazy shit and causing headlines. So likely innocent people dead for a political attack that is likely going to destroy even more innocent lives in Gaza.
Then finally you have Israel deciding (like usual) to take a total disproportionate and racist response where you’re punishing each and every Palestinian for the crimes of a few. It’s racist because they have decided that “all of them are the same.” If you can’t view a group of people as a disparate group who might not all feel the same way about every little thing, you’ve chosen to stereotype them, especially if your view of them is negative, you’re choosing to be prejudiced instead of accepting that everyone is an individual, and no individual deserves to be punished for the crimes of another.
Fuck this whole shit ass clown show. We’re all just trying to have a decent fucking life here. They’re right to call out Israel, they’re wrong to not call out Hamas and Trump right alongside them.
EDIT:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/
It’s also starting to have a mild 9/11 feel, where the government was warned repeatedly, and you’re starting to wonder if they sort of just… let it happen because the aftermath would be politically convenient for what they wanted to do politically?
I mean, it’s Netanyahu we’re talking about here, I 100% firmly believe he’s enough of a scumfuck to let it happen on purpose so he could use to his advantage.
Zero good guys. The Bad, the Badder, and the Ugly.
This is probably the best take I’ve seen on lemmy.
Pretty irrelevant at this stage.
Palestinians have every right to fight back against a genocidal settler-colonialist state. They do not need your permission or approval to do so.
The settler-colonialist state of Israel has treated all Palestinians as an enemy “other” in their quest for Zionist ethno-fascist lebensraum since 1949 - no one has a right to be surprised by this now.
It’s really upsetting any time innocent civilians get caught up in violence, especially if it’s state sponsored. The Israeli people have a right to peaceful enjoyment of their lives just like any other people. Not doing anything about this violence against civilians is the wrong move because it will likely happen again and again. Bombing civilian targets is not the right move either. There must be a targeted response and the perpetrators must be brought to justice.
Israeli intelligence services are supposed to be some of the best in the world. They absolutely have the tools for a targeted response.
I agree, involving more civilians will just continue the unbroken cycle of violence, because that’s how you create new sympathizers for Hamas. You take one politically neutral Palestinian, and have family members murdered by Israel in response to an attack by Hamas, and boom, suddenly, not shockingly, they support Hamas. It really undermines solving the problem.
Israeli military has the tools to root out the individuals responsible, and I really wish they would turn to those tools instead of indiscriminate bombing.
Gaza is little more than a modern-day ghetto for the Palestinians Israel cannot murder without the world’s cameras telling us about it… where are these “uninvolved civilians” you speak of?
Where do you see Palestinians living in such bubbles of privilege that they can afford “political neutrality?” In the open-air prison of Gaza, perhaps? In the squalid refugee camps in Jordan, perhaps?