• trailing9
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    1 year ago

    I see both desires, to have UBI and to lcontinue as is. I don’t know which is stronger. I am writing these comments to find out.

    Where has the debate happened? What was the result?

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      1 year ago

      People are currently suffering. Every trial of UBI so far has been shown to alleviate suffering, and actually save money.

      Open your eyes.

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        1 year ago

        What’s your point? I am not opposing UBI. I am arguing that we can have it right now if people want it.

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          1 year ago

          But not through individual charity. It simply does not work. Because we have been doing charity for decades, and it has not worked.

          But it can work through taxes, to ensure that everyone contributes, and everyone benefits.

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            1 year ago

            Let’s meet in the middle.

            Have an open register among participants for who participates and how much they pay.

            Then members are incentivized to increase the income of other members. You also have a pool of people for other projects like building cheap new housing.

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              1 year ago

              That isn’t meeting in the middle. The people who are hoarding wealth have no incentive to participate.

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                There is no horded wealth. If you hoard wealth, the Fed will print money until liquidity is restored. The only money that counts is the one in circulation.

                Regular citizens circulate enough money to get UBI going.

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                  There is no horded wealth.

                  This is just about the single stupidest thing I have ever read in my entire life.

                  Well done. Good bye.

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                    1 year ago

                    A sign that you may learn something.

                    Jeff Bezos is rich but he cannot spend his wealth unless he is willing to give up control over Amazon. As long as he sticks to that power, his income is zero.

                    Similarly, if you have money in securities, no money flows.

                    So to finance UBI, the wages of the citizens are more important than the wealth of billionaires.

                    Thanks for the debate.