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Hi everyone, I live somewhere sanitary conditions imply many restrictions on gathering and organizing. I wonder how you have been organizing around the world. Where I live people are building and strengthening solidarity networks to support the most vulnerable and also fighting the fash who are showing up frequently in demonstrations and attacking activists. It also makes harder to organize unions etc… See you, rockroach

  • @rockroachOP
    4•3 years ago

    I think that dealing with oppression inside an organization is a big deal. We have extra challenges when we try to do so in a decentralized organization. And it has been complicated for a while.

    “The principles of decentalisation(sic) and autonomy adopted by many within radical movements can also, unintentionally and remediably(sic), be exclusionary. Many radical groups have anarchist principles behind them - non-hierarchical, consensus decision-making, often no formal structure. One problem with this is that it is often used to dismiss talk of what ‘the movement’ can do about issues of race and gender, on the grounds that we’re not a movement, we’re a collection of individuals and so we can’t make decisions about the ‘movement’. But UK EF!, or Peoples’ Global Action, for example are movements, or at least networks with informal hierarchies and structures and unwritten rules. Every action involves a decision and a choice and it is important that these are open. For example, saying that we cannot exclude fascists from gatherings involves a choice - if people are allowed to say overtly racist comments, you exclude people of color, or at least prevent any chance of us feeling comfortable. This why at its last conference made explicit moves to overtly condemn discrimination” - Raj Patel and Kala Subbusamy

    I don’t know what kind of behavior you are talking about, but if these behaviors are promoting domination and oppression it feels like the org would be legitimate to handle it. However it’s hard for people to recognize this kind of behavior and act on it. I am facing this kind of issue right now at my work place. Anyway pushing for a more inclusive organization is work, and it’s work I wouldn’t want to do alone :).

    I don’t believe building your own org is always feasible as you pointed it out, so it’s not a solution, at worst it is a lazy dismissal of criticism, as in you aren’t happy make your own. As if fixing is impossible.

    • skittermouse
      2•3 years ago

      yeah the ‘go make your own org’ thing can often come off like ‘if you hate your job just get a new one’. it gets recommended a lot and while i think it’s important to encourage and empower people, it’s a very tough load to carry if you don’t even have enough people for a tiny local affinity group. like, i’m trying to set up a very small neighbourhood project and it’s taking ridiculously long because it’s literally just me trying to scrape together enough stuff to get it going and missing meals so i can get supplies for it. but once it’s set up i think people will help out so i’m running on optimism in the meantime!

      with the guy in question, the main example was his repeated habit of suddenly dropping multiple images/videos of graphic violence (including deaths) into the chat group, then immediately logging off for a few hours. no content warning, no context, no discussion, nothing. a lot of the time he did not seem to know which country or city the images were from, yet when asked why he posted them he would say “people need to be aware of what is happening”.

      i often ended up tracking down sources and finding groups we could offer support to, so people weren’t just left in a state of despair. i politely suggested that we can perhaps share links instead of bombarding raw nsfw/nsfl imagery, and add content warnings so people can make an informed decision on whether they were up to seeing those things. i even provided guidelines that journalists who regularly handle those kinds of imagery use, so people could see an evidence-based approach that could easily be applied. and i’d get a shrug in return, and/or private messages from others going “i don’t like it either but that’s just how he is”.

      he also told me i was being performative for using indigenous language. i’m indigenous, so that didn’t go over too well. and yet again, nobody backed me up. that was when i finally decided to bid the org farewell.

      my suspicion is that this group had become overly fixated on trying to get its numbers back up after a hiatus, and was willing to overlook a degree of crummy behaviour in order to retain someone who was determined, enthusiastic, and clearly enjoyed being active both online and on the ground. sadly i don’t think they understood enabling that degree of crummy behaviour would drive away people who also shared those positive qualities. nobody will be a perfect little angel all the time (self included!), especially when there’s stress and strong personalities and passionate feelings happening, but we don’t have to meekly accept unhealthy levels of asshattery either.

      and i hope the situation in your workplace improves sooner rather than later!

      • @rockroachOP
        3•3 years ago

        (the) group had become overly fixated on trying to get its numbers back up after a hiatus, and was willing to overlook a degree of crummy behaviour in order to retain someone who was determined, enthusiastic, and clearly enjoyed being active both online and on the ground.

        there was the point on how pleasing unpleasant people is bad praxis.

        And I do agree with you, if we let bad behavior go on, we will make people go away, bad orgs have high turnover rates, when people get tired for things that could be avoided they end up leaving …

        We are here for a long time, sooner or later we will find people who click with us… hope you will find yours soon :)