• @pingveno
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    11 year ago

    Yeah, Communists got 27% despite rabid anti-communist propaganda that Moldova has been washed in for decades now.

    Ah, right. When people agree with me, they are smart and see through the lies. When people disagree with me, they’ve given in to the capitalist propaganda.

    Meanwhile, it’s pretty much guaranteed that Trump or somebody like him will get into power in 2024.

    You’re overestimating Trump’s appeal. He’s a loser, and a sore loser at that. The type of people that Trump appeals to don’t like a loser so much. There are of course no guarantees in elections, but the all important economy is humming along fairly nicely.

    Democrats shat the bed with their proxy war, and people are waking up to the domestic economic impact from it now. Anybody who runs on anti war platform in the next election will win by a landslide.

    You really need to look at polls before you make claims. While support isn’t unanimous, it’s still holding strong a year in. Just because you think it’s a disaster does not make it one.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      11 year ago

      Ah, right. When people agree with me, they are smart and see through the lies. When people disagree with me, they’ve given in to the capitalist propaganda.

      I love how you pretend to be unaware that US literally spends billions on propaganda around the world via shit like NED and USAID. It’s not even hidden. I personally saw this in action when I was growing up in Russia during the Yeltsin years. Either you’re horribly ignorant or just utterly dishonest. Yet, despite all the propaganda these ideas just keep coming back somehow. You’d think if they weren’t actually popular then capitalist pigs wouldn’t have to fight them so hard.

      You’re overestimating Trump’s appeal. He’s a loser, and a sore loser at that. The type of people that Trump appeals to don’t like a loser so much. There are of course no guarantees in elections, but the all important economy is humming along fairly nicely.

      You’re underestimating what an utter shit show the democratic party is. And if it won’t be Trump, then it’s going to be somebody like Trump. That’s the future of politics in your shithole country. Better start getting used to it. Meanwhile, the fact that you genuinely believe that US economy is humming along nicely is the height of comedy here.

      You really need to look at polls before you make claims. While support isn’t unanimous, it’s still holding strong a year in. Just because you think it’s a disaster does not make it one.

      No, I don’t need to look at polls two years before the election. What I’m going to look at are the declining material conditions and the economic disaster US is in a middle of. All of this will get far worse by 2024, and people will be much more angry than they are today. Even people such as yourself will have to reconcile that somehow.

      Also, it’s pretty obvious that only 64% of people supporting the war already constitutes collapse in support given that it was nearly universal only a few months ago. As it becomes more and more obvious that there is no easy win, US public will increasingly reject this insanity. If you were historically literate then you’d see the parallels with Vietnam here.

      • @pingveno
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        11 year ago

        Meanwhile, the fact that you genuinely believe that US economy is humming along nicely is the height of comedy here.

        I’ve been watching it. The inflation worries in general have been dropping. Supply chains kinks are getting smoothed out. Employment figures are holding steady, with good growth. Housing is still overpriced, but people are working on that. There are some other weak spots, but overall things are pretty solid. Do you actually have anything to back up what you say besides being the usual condescending tone?

        No, I don’t need to look at polls two years before the election.

        I’m not talking about elections. If you’re making grand proclamations about inevitable collapse in support, you need to have that. You’re just making claims without a speck of evidence. The evidence shows the opposite. There has been no movement in the polls.

        If you were historically literate then you’d see the parallels with Vietnam here.

        That’s an atrociously bad comparison. The US and its allies are training and arming Ukraine to fight against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Especially in the opening of the war, we saw war crimes committed by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians. Russian convicts are used as cannon fodder. If they desert and are traded back, they may find themselves on camera getting a sledgehammer to the head. You are trying to cast the US in the role of the US in this comparison, but instead Russia is the brutal invader.

        There also is very much a reason to why the US is willing to fund Ukraine’s defense. The United States does not particularly want the China-Taiwan spat to boil over into an actual invasion. There’s more of a chance that that would escalate to US involvement. There’s a hope that if the whole Ukraine invasion blows back in Russia’s face and fails, Xi Jinping will decide that invading Taiwan is too risky. The location of the main TSMC foundries would make it hard for the US to accept a Chinese invasion and annexation of Taiwan. I suspect the beginning of an invasion would trigger a call to from the US president making that clear.

        • poVoq
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          01 year ago

          Pointless to argue with facts, some people just cannot accept being proven wrong and just move goal-posts and try to change to topic until they can convince themselves they are winning the argument. But they are just making a clown of themselves.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          -11 year ago

          I’ve been watching it. The inflation worries in general have been dropping.

          Not significantly, and it any drops in inflation are driven by the recession. US is stuck between a rock and a hard place here because the only levers are to either print more money or to increase rates. Meanwhile, Ukraine is literally costing billions each and every month. On top of that, dollar based global economy has shrunk significantly, and China is dumping dollars now. The only reason US survived the crash in 2008 was because China decided to buy up US debt. Fat chance of that happening this time around.

          Meanwhile, 64% of the people are already living paycheck to paycheck. This means they’re simply unable to absorb any further increases in the cost of living which continues to climb. This means we’ll be seeing many people defaulting on their debt in the near future. The rest will be tightening their belts and focusing their spending on necessities. Which means the whole economy cools further and companies go out of business. We’re already seeing this starting to happen.

          Tech sector in particular is a very precarious position because most startups run on finance capital. With high interest rates and inflation it makes no sense for investors to keep pumping money into these startups because they have to show incredible amounts of growth just to make the investment back.

          I’m not talking about elections. If you’re making grand proclamations about inevitable collapse in support, you need to have that. You’re just making claims without a speck of evidence. The evidence shows the opposite. There has been no movement in the polls.

          The evidence is literally in your link. Nearly 40% of the people are rejecting the war already, that’s a huge increase over the year. As it becomes more and more obvious that US is losing while people see the astronomical costs the support will continue to collapse. Again, go read up on Vietnam and how that proxy war worked out. Ukraine is following the exact same pattern.

          That’s an atrociously bad comparison.

          It’s actually an excellent comparison. US backed the regime in the south, trained and armed it. Then it started sending weapons to it, and eventually put buts on the ground. US was forced to pull out from the war because it crash US economy and led to the dollar becoming a fiat currency.

          Especially in the opening of the war, we saw war crimes committed by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians.

          Weird how you didn’t care about war crimes Ukraine has been committing in Donbas for the past 8 years.

          Russian convicts are used as cannon fodder.

          And yet, BBC could only find 12k dead on the Russian side. So much for the cannon fodder narrative. However, the fact that irregular militia defeated Ukrainian army that NATO’s been training and arming for 8 years is hilarious.

          You are trying to cast the US in the role of the US in this comparison, but instead Russia is the brutal invader.

          It’s not and the fact that you continue to parrot this despite being repeatedly presented evidence to the contrary shows that you lack any shred of intellectual honesty.

          There also is very much a reason to why the US is willing to fund Ukraine’s defense.

          Of course there is, the reason is that US wants to us Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia as this RAND report very clearly explains. This isn’t some secret, US officials have said this openly and repeatedly. US is not defending Ukraine, it’s using the population of Ukraine as cannon fodder.

          The United States does not particularly want the China-Taiwan spat to boil over into an actual invasion.

          That’s an imbecilic statement because China cannot invade itself. The whole relationship between US and China is based on US recognizing one China policy. This is another point that has been explained to you repeatedly and yet you continue to parrot nonsense. Evidently you just don’t care about facts.

          There’s more of a chance that that would escalate to US involvement.

          What fucking business does US have being involved in Taiwan? The fact that you think US has the right to play world police really says volumes.

          There’s a hope that if the whole Ukraine invasion blows back in Russia’s face and fails, Xi Jinping will decide that invading Taiwan is too risky.

          Nobody who has even a modicum of understanding of this conflict thinks this could ever happen. Even Obama understood that Russia has escalatory dominance in Ukraine. And again, China cannot invade Taiwan any more than US could invade Texas.

          The location of the main TSMC foundries would make it hard for the US to accept a Chinese invasion and annexation of Taiwan.

          Taiwan is part of China. This is a well documented fact, and Taiwan’s legal standing is not in question. This is the position held by the UN, and it’s the fundamental basis for having diplomatic relations between US and China per Potsdam Proclamation that was signed 77 years ago between China, the US & the UK. This position has never officially changed. Here is literally what’s written on US state department website:

          The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means.

          If you keep repeating a falsehood over and over it isn’t magically going to become true.

          I suspect the beginning of an invasion would trigger a call to from the US president making that clear.

          US has no business messing inside China, and if US doesn’t figure this out soon we’re going to have a world war that can easily escalate into a nuclear holocaust. Your idiotic country is literally driving us towards extinction because idiots living in your country think that they have the right to run the world. The sooner Americans learn their place and stop fucking with the rest of the world the better off everyone will be.