01 dec 2022 om 14:58Update: 28 minuten geleden The police intervened on Thursday at a demonstration by farmers in front of the province of Overijssel in Zwolle. Three arrests have been made. A tractor that was in the way has slid away. Mayor Peter Snijders of Zwolle has issued an emergency order prohibiting farmers from… Continue reading Police intervene in...
Do you have a specific criticism of the article? Because the person I was replying to does not, and only comments mindlessly on every yogthos post, going so far as to call an official EU website “anti-EU propaganda,” which is why I mentioned they should just…block yogthos. They are adding nothing to the forum with copy-pasted non-criticisms.
Having an actual criticism, refutation, or response is a different matter. Though I see that rather than a particular refutation, you yourself just posted a different article without elaborating what about it you wanted to direct our attention to.
I did read it, though, and it was an alright article (though from a Trotskyist website, I do appreciate you attempting to find sources from a socialist perspective). I just don’t see what exactly yogthos did wrong by posting this other article. He posts from a wide variety of sources, especially since he kept being told that he only used very left sources.
The thing is…he almost never posts commentary. It’s just the article. He didn’t offer any opinion or statement on it. Just put the article here. So I’m wondering what’s wrong with that, or how it demonstrates any lack of knowledge (which you accused him of) of the situation. he didn’t write the article, right?
Indeed this specific article is only a very low quality (in fact auto-translated?) article that omits nearly all the facts that are necessary to understand these protests. Given the context of their other recent posts (and later replies), it was clear that the OP also does not understand the background of these specific protests and hence I linked an article that does explain it better in the hope that they would be willing to read and understand.
Since you claim to understand the background, why don’t you post better articles covering these types of protests happening all over Europe?
I actually appreciate the article you linked, I think it was a good article, I entirely agree with the points it makes. What stopped you from posting that article here. If I didn’t post the article I did, I would’ve never seen your article.
There are protests in France, Spain, Italy, Czechia, Germany, Netherlands, and lots of other countries last I checked. All of these protests are rooted in collapsing standards of living and economic strife that people are experiencing. This is all rooted in the economic war the west is waging with Russia, this is the basic fact that you refuse to acknowledge.
Seriously, you are bringing that argument again? These protests in the Netherlands by farmers are nothing like that. They are mainly about an environmental regulation impacting their business. Did you really read the article I linked?
Yes, seriously I’m bringing up the real world again. As I’ve repeatedly explained the economic war compounds all the other problems that were already present. There’s the liberal view that you evidently hold, that all these protests across different countries are all just spontaneous events with no connection between them, and then there’s the materialist view which says that there are underlying material causes for mass civil unrest in all these countries.
Capitalist system is failing in Europe, and this will ultimately lead to the fall of the current liberal ideology. The only question is whether it will be the left or the right that takes power when the liberal regimes start collapsing.
Do you have a specific criticism of the article? Because the person I was replying to does not, and only comments mindlessly on every yogthos post, going so far as to call an official EU website “anti-EU propaganda,” which is why I mentioned they should just…block yogthos. They are adding nothing to the forum with copy-pasted non-criticisms.
Having an actual criticism, refutation, or response is a different matter. Though I see that rather than a particular refutation, you yourself just posted a different article without elaborating what about it you wanted to direct our attention to.
I did read it, though, and it was an alright article (though from a Trotskyist website, I do appreciate you attempting to find sources from a socialist perspective). I just don’t see what exactly yogthos did wrong by posting this other article. He posts from a wide variety of sources, especially since he kept being told that he only used very left sources.
The thing is…he almost never posts commentary. It’s just the article. He didn’t offer any opinion or statement on it. Just put the article here. So I’m wondering what’s wrong with that, or how it demonstrates any lack of knowledge (which you accused him of) of the situation. he didn’t write the article, right?
Indeed this specific article is only a very low quality (in fact auto-translated?) article that omits nearly all the facts that are necessary to understand these protests. Given the context of their other recent posts (and later replies), it was clear that the OP also does not understand the background of these specific protests and hence I linked an article that does explain it better in the hope that they would be willing to read and understand.
Since you claim to understand the background, why don’t you post better articles covering these types of protests happening all over Europe?
I actually appreciate the article you linked, I think it was a good article, I entirely agree with the points it makes. What stopped you from posting that article here. If I didn’t post the article I did, I would’ve never seen your article.
Because you failing to understand that there aren’t “these types of protests all over Europe” is exactly the problem.
There are protests in France, Spain, Italy, Czechia, Germany, Netherlands, and lots of other countries last I checked. All of these protests are rooted in collapsing standards of living and economic strife that people are experiencing. This is all rooted in the economic war the west is waging with Russia, this is the basic fact that you refuse to acknowledge.
Seriously, you are bringing that argument again? These protests in the Netherlands by farmers are nothing like that. They are mainly about an environmental regulation impacting their business. Did you really read the article I linked?
Yes, seriously I’m bringing up the real world again. As I’ve repeatedly explained the economic war compounds all the other problems that were already present. There’s the liberal view that you evidently hold, that all these protests across different countries are all just spontaneous events with no connection between them, and then there’s the materialist view which says that there are underlying material causes for mass civil unrest in all these countries.
Capitalist system is failing in Europe, and this will ultimately lead to the fall of the current liberal ideology. The only question is whether it will be the left or the right that takes power when the liberal regimes start collapsing.