• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    31 year ago

    That’s incredibly reductive logic, and suburb culture isn’t unique to US either. Canada has suburb culture that’s quite similar, yet things aren’t falling apart at the same rate here.

    It was to build what has been dubbed “ghost cities”, cities that remain largely unoccupied.

    Ghost cities aren’t a real thing. That’s just long term planning which people in the west couldn’t wrap their heads around because it’s not possible under western capitalist system. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-01/chinese-ghost-cities-2021-binhai-zhengdong-new-districts-fill-up

    And again, the reason China has HSR is due to the fact that there is central planning. The central government can create large scale projects and then contract them out to companies to implement. There is no equivalent mechanism in US. What’s worse is that in absence of any central direction the worst kinds of companies end up dominating so much of the rail that originally existed got torn out in favor of highways.

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      -31 year ago

      Ghost cities aren’t a real thing. That’s just long term planning which people in the west couldn’t wrap their heads around because it’s not possible under western capitalist system.

      You might want to read that article in its entirety. There are no figures available on how the ghost cities as a whole are filling up. Without that data, there’s no way to know if cities will stay solvent. We do know that there is a mountain of debt involved. What happens in a few years when their streets start breaking down and there is no way to pay for them because people have just started moving in? And there we return to the same infrastructure problems that the US has. Too many obligations combined with dumb growth.

      There is no equivalent mechanism in US. What’s worse is that in absence of any central direction the worst kinds of companies end up dominating so much of the rail that originally existed got torn out in favor of highways.

      It’s more complicated than that. The US also has more veto points to HSR construction. There are mechanisms like environmental reviews and hearings that can be used by opponents to draw a project out and make its costs increase rapidly. China also can just bulldoze anyone’s house that they want. That can still be done in the US, but it’s more difficult.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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        41 year ago

        We do know that there is a mountain of debt involved. What happens in a few years when their streets start breaking down and there is no way to pay for them because people have just started moving in?

        You get that China’s a planned economy right. What happens in that situation is that the government steps in and either creates state companies or contracts existing companies to do the work.

        Too many obligations combined with dumb growth.

        That’s a heck of a way to describe bringing people out of poverty and into modern life.

        It’s more complicated than that. The US also has more veto points to HSR construction. There are mechanisms like environmental reviews and hearings that can be used by opponents to draw a project out and make its costs increase rapidly.

        Oh please, if you seriously believe that environmental concerns are the reason you don’t have HSR then I have a bridge to sell you.

        China also can just bulldoze anyone’s house that they want.

        HSR has the most value in large empty stretches between large cities, no need to bulldoze anyone’s houses. Also, you’re peddling more bullshit about China again https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjwd3m/photos-of-chinese-homes-owned-by-people-who-refuse-to-sell