cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/426976

I’m asking in good faith here, not trying to start a fight but if my understanding of the content that person posted is correct (abjectly transphobic) then why was their perma ban changed to a 2 day ban?

Frippa got two days for posting a statue with a dick, this clown posted hateful shit and gets the same punishment?

That doesn’t seem right at all.

If this was an accident fair enough but the mod log doesn’t give us justification for these decisions and it leaves it open to speculation and having their ban changed to 2 days seems sus af.

If this is something to do with lemmy vs lemmygrad then fair enough can that be explained please.

Thank you.

  • @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
    16•1 year ago

    Lemmygrad is in a specific position in that we are visible enough to get new users relatively frequently, while also being small enough that we have a certain culture we have fostered.

    This leaves us in a unique position to let in people and give them a chance to get acclimated to our ideas as communists. As I explained previously in a post, we tend to let people in quite easily (contrary to how I vet on discord, I find it less damaging to let in someone on lemmygrad than on discord servers). The questions don’t vet for this kind of opinions and so it came as a surprise that this user posted this kind of comments.

    In this regard we should see bans not as the sum of consequences for one’s actions (sort of like demerits), but as a chance to tell them “hey look, this doesn’t fly here. Use this time to get better acquainted with this topic, or to cool off, and come back when you’re better”. I.e. 3 violations does not sum up to 3 bans worth.

    Of course a first ban does not prevent a second, third, or even perma ban in the future.

    Regarding this user, we received an appeal as @sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml has explained but due to the ban removing the user’s content, we were unable to see it at all (it gets completely purged even for admins). Like I said, all of this came as a surprise. I myself don’t even remember having read anything this user wrote. I see they did post a lot, but I honestly do not remember them.

    I did find the second post Seanchai was talking about in the reports (apparently they do stay up there even if removed from profiles), and with that I agree with a perma ban. I’ll also relay that post to the team and I think we’ll all be in agreement there.

    • Ratette (she/her)OP
      12•1 year ago

      Thank you for clarifying.

      Is it feasible in the future to develop the mod log to include a field for further clarity on the specifics of actions taken?

    • Muad'Dibber
      9•1 year ago

      I second this.

      Bans are extremely alienating, and we have a policy for admins to have the freedom to ban however they see fit, but to undo the ban when there is disagreement, and then discuss it further.

      mlcolo’s posts were all removed, so none of the other admins could see any of the offending content. An admin advocated on their behalf, and told us that they would talk to mlcolo personally. I also sent them a message (that they’ll see when their temp ban is up) that any homophobia or transphobia will result in a permaban.