• @pimento@lemmygrad.ml
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    43 years ago

    A state that continues the proliferation of nuclear weapons

    US nuclear weapons in Germany, Turkey and other countries

    that passes power down through a family like a monarchy

    Clinton family, Bush family, not to mention billionaire families like Koch

    and regularly kills its own people for their political beliefs?

    US drone strikes on US citizens in Arab countries?

    No doubt that there are western nations that do the same, but that’s not a “get out of criticism free” card for the DPRK.

    You’re right, western nations are doing worse. I dont see you criticising them, which tells me that you are just using these issues when they are convenient, but that you dont actually care about them. If you support western imperialism, at least be honest with others (and with yourself).

    The DPRK gets the criticism that it deserves.

    You can criticise who you want, but dont act like everyone has to share your opinion.

    • Muad'Dibber
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      43 years ago

      Clinton family, Bush family, not to mention billionaire families like Koch

      It is pretty interesting that westerners think their countries don’t have dynasties or entrenched ruling classes. Godfree Roberts has a great passage on this here:

      History conditions much of our thinking about our political systems and most Western democracies resemble Rome’s in 60 BC when, as Robin Daverman humorously says, three aristocrats–politician Julius Caesar, military hero Pompey and billionaire Crassus–formed a backroom alliance that dominated the elected senate. The oligarchs ensured that proletarii votes changed nothing and that the masses remained invisible unless they rioted or died in one of the elites’ endless civil wars. Two thousand years later, in Britain’s general election of 1784, the son of the First Earl of Chatham and Hester Grenville, sister of the previous Prime Minister George Grenville, and the son of the First Baron Holland and Lady Caroline Lennox, daughter of Second Duke of Richmond, offered voters offered a choice of dukes. Today, in many European countries (even egalitarian Sweden) ‘democracy’ is a mere veneer over powerful feudal aristocracies that still control their economies. American voters recently watched a former president’s wife competing with a former president’s brother being defeated by a billionaire who installed his daughter and son-in-law in important government positions and ensured that, as John Dewey said, “U.S. politics will remain the shadow cast on society by big business as long as power resides in business for private profit through private control of banking, land and industry, reinforced by command of the press and other means of propaganda”. Most Western politicians are related by marriage or wealth and have, like all hereditary classes, lost sympathy with the broad mass of their fellow citizens to the extent that, as American political scientists Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page found, ‘the preferences of the average American appear to have a near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy’: Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens