• nBee
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    The Nazis then instituted socio-economic policies including equal rights, UBI, free nationalised child care, free nationalised public education, free nationalised healthcare, fire arms prohibition, a nationalised automotive and banking industry, nationalised agriculture […]

    This was all funded by wealth redistribution and equalisation, 75% taxation, and mandatory work participation for adults of both genders.

    I mean, I definitely know that these two points are not correct. But could you please provide sources for these claims anyways?

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        Here’s a first hand account from Kitty Werthmann, a WW2 survivor from Austria who describes these events which she personally experienced.

        “WWII Survivor Warns of SOCIALISM and GUN CONTROL! (MUST WATCH)” is your source? Seriously? I listened to the first few minutes and sorry, but Kitty Werthmann does not seem to know much about the NSDAP’s political standpoints.

        This article describes the support which Nazis received from Austria’s Social Democratic Workers’ Party of Austria.

        This section doesn’t provide any sources, but I guess that there were members among the Austrian social democrats for the Nazis. Don’t see how that is relevant though.

        This one briefly describes the social welfare system which was instituted by the Nazis.

        Okay, this is relevant: if we believe this section of Wikipedia, the ‘Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt’ did indeed provide “old age insurance, rent supplements, unemployment and disability benefits, old-age homes and interest-free loans for married couples, along with healthcare insurance”.

        Nowhere does it say for whom these were provided and how effective these measures actually were; in fact, many of these benefits were actually already established in the Weimar Republic. Neither does this article support your claims of a universal basic income, “equal rights” (absolutely not, wtf), which were not only unfeasible for Nazi Germany due to the (pre-)war economy, but diametrical to their actual support of antisemitism, racism, homophobia, and eugenics.


        So there were financial benefits for part of the population that were not hit by genocide, conscription or the Nuremberg Laws. But that is still not the definition of a socialist system.

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            Ah, alright, sorry; I did interpret your “equal rights” differently.

            Equal rights can mean a lot of things depending on who’s speaking. Fundamentally though, equal human rights belong exclusively to individuals. This precludes groups having superior rights to those of the individual, such as the ability to levy taxes for example. If it’s extortion for an individual, it’s extortion for a group also. Majority consensus is no more valid in that situation than it is in gang rape. Hence you’ll find that no matter what rhetoric a government or group may spout about equal rights, unless they’re individualist anarchists, they’re full of shit. That goes for socialists just the same.

            Not sure, what you mean by that. Individuals are part of groups; and if such interest groups demand equal rights, they are demanding these rights for each individual group member. Minorities sadly seem to have to band together in groups to achieve group representation and emancipation, but that doesn’t make them “full of shit”, no?

            Edit: “your” :P

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