Full disclosure: I’m training to be a psychologist (not psychiatrist)
I’ve been browsing here a lot since Genzedong got quarantined, as I had been expecting a full removal soon after. The general community here is so positive and funny, I found myself preferring it to the subreddit.
I decided to break from my lurking ways to comment on an unfortunate trend I’ve noticed: A few, maybe just one or two, users trying to bring legitimacy to anti-psychiatry rhetoric. These users are getting a great deal of attention for their posts, and they seem to me to be legit comrades, regularly posting in other subs as well. I think these users are genuine, and I don’t intend to make this about them, nor am I about to speculate about their personal reasons for perpetuating these messages. I will say only this about them: There is a worrying tendency to fully dismiss the experiences and views of mental health professionals, saying that speaking to us is “like speaking to a wall,” and encouraging other users to simply ignore our responses. I think I only need to describe this sort of behavior for the troublesome qualities of it to become self-evident. No more needs to be said on it.
Now, I want to speak first to the kernel of truth in the anti-psychiatry lie, because this is somewhat personal to me.
Following the death of my 24 year old brother in 2020, I had a very hard time maintaining my professional life for a little over a year. He was not only my closest friend, but also the only person with whom I could share my political thoughts openly, expecting that he might be feeling similar. Simply put, he was the only socialist I knew.
At my field placement at the time, I was often working with people who were hospitalized. The fact that capitalism contributes to mental illness was not a new concept to me, but seeing how many of our patients were homeless, and knowing that, sometimes, they were sent back to the streets after we had gotten them “back to baseline,” was devastating for me. It was the sort of disruption that makes a person question the field they are in.
Cut-to October, 2021, I’m the only student in a classroom, explaining to 6 professors why my performance is slipping lately, and I find myself explaining that I feel impotent as a therapist, eventually yelling something rash to the effect of “If we actually wanted a psychologically-minded approach to helping these people, we’d be giving them houses!” Further, I was boiling in anger so slowly I almost didn’t notice it, because I had no one - zero people - in this liberal-as-hell program to discuss my beliefs with. No one outside of it. Just no one. I was surrounded by people who loved to talk about “systems,” but couldn’t form a coherent thought about the economic system that undergirds all of the ills of these other systems.
It is true that therapy and psychiatry are often bandaids for people living in a sick society. It is true that many of the problems we seek to address are exacerbated or outright caused by living in a capitalist system. It is true that therapy addresses the suffering of individuals, when that suffering is often the result of communal discord.
It’s deeply unhealthy to get stuck there though. I was for a time, and my outpatient clients likely suffered lower quality treatment from me during this time. I know everyone around me suffered a lower quality me.
We are historical materialists. Because of the suffering caused by capitalism, it can be easy to lose sight of the materialist understanding of capitalism as an inevitable and necessary next step beyond feudalism, leading to socialism. Capitalism is not an entity you can diagnose as evil and then determine that everything birthed from within it is therefore also evil. That’s idealism. The fact that psychiatry and therapy inherited flaws from operating within a capitalist system says absolutely nothing about their inherent nature, the intent of them, nor their impact.
Now let’s get more specific. This entire dance of tying capitalism and psychiatry together utterly ignores basic realities - like the fact that some mental illnesses seem to be primarily organic, that is, relating to the person’s biological make-up, their “wiring.” Primary examples of this include ADHD, Bipolar and Schizophrenia. If you suppose a person with schizophrenia or bipolar would suddenly be highly functional, absent medication, in a world where we’ve reached international communism, you are simply making a massive, uneducated guess. We don’t know that, and anyone who has spent considerable time among the severely mentally ill population will tell you that it seems extremely unlikely. Further, we haven’t reached communism, so it seems reasonable to suggest we do what we can for people who are suffering currently.
A lot of anti-psychiatry rhetoric seems to come from the neurodivergent crowd, specifically people with ADHD and/or autism, who have felt mistreated by the field of psychiatry because they aren’t disordered, just different from the type of person who succeeds under capitalism. There is a lot of truth to this, and I wish I had better answers for these individuals. Perhaps under communism, people with ADHD and Autism will feel no need for therapy. Then again, perhaps they’ll still suffer from higher rates of depression than other people, simply because they find it harder to fit in socially. A lot of unhelpful speculation is required to even have that conversation. I’m more interested in helping people with the problems they say they want help with in their lives, at this point in time.
Now to get on to what most people think of when they think of psychiatry and therapy. When I’m helping someone with OCD learn to work past their compulsions effectively enough that they can finally do something enjoyable with their time, no one gives a flying fuck if capitalism has to do with why they can’t stop checking, and re-checking that everything in their home is “just right.” When I’m helping a socially anxious person find human connection, or a depressed person find something rewarding to engage in, again, the discussion of how their mental illness is a result of capitalism feels trivial in the face of their suffering. Yes, every single one of my clients deserves revolution. No, I’m not capable of bringing about that revolution on my own, but I can help my clients make friends and find meaning in the lives they do have under this capitalist system.
The last problem with anti-psychiatry being tied to Marxism is more pragmatic: People who are curious about communism come to this site. Most people’s (with very unfortunate but real exceptions) experience of psychiatry and therapy will not map onto the exploitative machine described by the anti-psychiatry folks any more than their experience of the medical field does. This means that any curious liberal who comes into this space looking for answers is going to be immediately turned off.
Anyway, I’m really thankful for this place and hope this post doesn’t make me a pariah around here in the future. Thanks for reading, comrades.
Edit: A previous version of this post contained language that was unfair to the anti-psychiatry crowd. This was a mistake pointed out to me in the comments, and I see what they mean. I’ll do better with that in the future.
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Yes I know and that was the point of my comment. It’s good to have a discussion about current day psychiatry but there need to be rules in my opinion. Discussion is great, but if people start to encourage others to quit medication all of a sudden then lines should be drawn. It’s a very sensitive topic where people could get easily hurt if people aren’t careful enough.
I’d like to add to this that I don’t want anyone to be forced to take medicine. That’s not the point of my comment. Rather, if one feels the need to quit medicine, they should contact professionals about it before listening to people on the internet. This way you can quit in a safe way.
In my experience when people quit medicine, they get some guidance as to why they want to quit and after that they get a quitting schedule if necessary. This is to prevent shit like seizures and whatnot happening if you’ve got certain meds. You know, so you don’t die. Not because people want to force meds on you (not saying that doesn’t happen).
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No, they should discuss this with the people that prescribe these meds. Some meds are dangerous to quit cold turkey, both for physical and mental health. I work in mental health care and even I can’t advise people quitting. I can get banned for life in my profession for it. There are reasons that you need actual med studies to be able to prescribe them and guide people taking them
Quitting meds is not something you should just advise people if you did not study medicine. It’s dangerous. Not all psychiatrists are scumbags. In fact, most of them aren’t. This is what I mean when I say I have problems with the subs. I’m not saying you shouldn’t discuss meds but it’s not something that should be treated lightly.
If a person has problems because of meds it should be discussed with professionals.
Please realise that psychiatry is not a bad thing per se.
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I feel like psychiatry has not been good to you. If that’s the case, I’m sorry. No person derserves that.
I’m not taking your comments as being of bad faith. I understand where you’re coming from and I understand your concerns.
I just hope the sub can stay a place for discussion, even if that means discussion with people that are not anti-psychiatry per se.
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What do you mean it’s not constructed through science
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I’ve been owned by that jab about my time management, and I’m not even being ironic. I’ve been got
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That’s not… how PPIs work. If this is the standard you apply to pharmacological knowledge I will have laugh at your confidence having these sorts of discussions. Come on, comrade.
Edit: Okay, I was mean and that serves no purpose other than make me feel better for knowing something you don’t. I’m sorry. My point still stands but I don’t have to be a dick about it.
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Also you can just quit them with no risk of a life threatening serotonin syndrome which makes them different from many psychiatric meds
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If you ban my antipsychotics I will go insane. I experience no withdrawal effects but the symptoms I use them to treat come back. In what world is banning safe pharmaceuticals better than real protections for patients.
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Incredibly invasive question of you to ask. I doubt a person who would think PPIs “alkalize stomach acid” and has admitted to a poor knowledge of chemistry and biology is in any way fit to take a clinical look at my symptoms and offer a solution.
You’ve gone from criticizing systemic abuse and protecting people’s autonomy into believing you’re knowledgeable about pharmacology and medicine. That’s fucking embarrassing and dangerous.